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Originally Posted by DurimOne54
Seems as though everyone is going the VTT route now, possibly because they are cheaper. Any dyno numbers with the stage 2s on E85? I haven't been able to find much info on dyno numbers for them. In terms of reliability, Vargas seems to be the better option... This wasn't the case a year ago.
I'm finding it difficult to justify the price for an additional 50whp. I'm FBO with E85 BB flash, Map 7, E60. Maybe an alternative should be meth?
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Whelp... I don't know who everyone is or where ANY of their dyno's, logs, or any track slips are. Definitely don't know where VTT is cheaper than RB... Maybe the quality or reliability? Enough of the smack now.. on a more serious note, Most RB builds including my own are a bit over 500 rwhp on e85 alone now. I have not seen or read about one VTT stage 2 over 500rwhp on e85 alone. Doesn't mean they aren't out there, just haven't heard of any of them! I do believe that both manufacturers have had and resolved the smoking etc issues as those were mostly first batch cases. As far as just picking up 50rwhp... Have you been on a dyno? Assuming you're among the very few hitting 450 rwhp on map 7 with no meth, the 50 rwhp gain would be assuming you stayed on map 7 etc... Say you did that, and stayed on map 7, You're looking at one number when what you should be looking at is the entire power curve. The stock snails you have presumably making 450rwhp are making a power curve that probably peaks around 5500 rpm then nose dives it's face back below 400rwhp before you even see the redline. That's not speculation it just is! Now, swap your hybrids in and watch your max power hit 500 rpm earlier and maintain much stronger THROUGH redline. Where your max rwhp is a gain of 50, see the rest of the curve and the max gains. In most cases with the current fueling and tune options that 6k and above rpm where your stock snails are pushing to barely if at all make 400rwhp those hybrids are narrowly pushing 500rwhp for a 100rwhp gain over oem. That's power under the curve and it happens from when you put the pedal down. You are consistently making a significant amount more at every RPM not just max numbers. And for the record, I have yet to see anyone break 430'ish with your mods map 7 etc. So it would likely be closer to 70rwhp gain, again assuming you stick with map 7. The gains of being able to run and maintain higher boost with hybrids is quite a bit more! Think about the difference that you had when you threw the tune on and cranked up the boost for the first time!