NEWB to JB3?

[tylerh269]

hey guys i have a 2008 135i with almost 30k on it now and i really want a jb3 for it still havent pulled the trigger on it bc i am concerned about but im over it now and ready to go FAST! so i was wondering if my car was still worthy of buying a jb3 considering the mileage on it btw its a AT and i do have active autowerke axleback exhaust on it and if i do buy it i will more than likely get a 2010 when it does get closer to the deadline of the warranty just really want to hear some positive feedback because every time i get on this forum all i hear is all the problems these cars have, but i dont think my dealership could care less if i have it on their or not so PLEASE HELP!

PS sorry for the newb question

[FDfranklin]

Sounds like you already made your decision anyways... Just go for it and live life in the now.

[bryce]

not to be overly biased, but i've ran both the jb3 and the procede, and the vishnu procede is a MUCH better tuning solution. just sayin'

sorry for the

[bryce]

i've gotten 2 PM's about my above post ^ so i thought i'd clarify why i liked the procede better:

it's better in features definitely! it has timing control, plus all the things the new jb4 will eventually have and then some (boost/afr gauges in the dash, cruise control map switching w/ visual confirmation, map switching on the fly, built-in dpfix, etc etc etc).

also, it's safer w/ autotuning enabled. if you get a bad tank of gas or if something goes wrong with your engine, the procede will automatically reduce boost/timing to preserve the engine. plus, with v5 coming out shortly, the naturally aspirated mode will be awesome for longer trips where gas mileage is important!

[DubSport]

Were you actually having timing issues with the JB3 though?

[Jeef Beef]

Originally Posted by DubSport

Were you actually having timing issues with the JB3 though?

You wouldn't actually know unless you were constantly monitoring it.

I've only had the PROcede so I don't feel I can weigh into this discussion. I'll just say that I think the PROcede is an awesome product that has all the features I look for in a tune. JB3 provides the same level of performance for a much cheaper price, but obviously has less features. JB4 no doubt will be a great chip.

Either way, you really can't go wrong

[stevenc]

Bryce every comment you make is procede better than jb3. That was not the OP question. The JB3 is fantastic and the OP will not regret getting it.

[bryce]

Originally Posted by DubSport

Were you actually having timing issues with the JB3 though?

hard to say. i have a pretty modded car and i experienced some weird boost/throttle response. i only logged timing once on map 7 and while it wasn't horrible, my procede timing logs definitely look better

Originally Posted by stevenc

Bryce every comment you make is procede better than jb3. That was not the OP question. The JB3 is fantastic and the OP will not regret getting it.

just trying to counter-balance the 95% of this forum that are jb3 fanbois. if there were more people recommending the procede when i was first shopping for a tune, i'd have saved time and money by getting the procede first.

[mineo77]

Originally Posted by bryce

hard to say. i have a pretty modded car and i experienced some weird boost/throttle response. i only logged timing once on map 7 and while it wasn't horrible, my procede timing logs definitely look better



just trying to counter-balance the 95% of this forum that are jb3 fanbois. if there were more people recommending the procede when i was first shopping for a tune, i'd have saved time and money by getting the procede first.

[bryce]

Originally Posted by mineo77

[bryce]

in case anybody is curious about timing control in regards to the procede vs. jb3, this thread explains it beautifully, from a random 3rd party data log

[jojo135]

Ah... c'mon Bryce! I think it is the opposite. The only tuner banned from this site is Terry. There seems to be much loyatly in the other direction if you know what I mean. You and I have had healthy, grown up discussions about the timing topic many times. We can do it again here but For the sake of the people reading who haven't been enlightened here is the scoop.

The DME(BMW name for ECU) controls all running aspects of the engine. The DME controls the timing on the car. BMW engineers made it and if it is good enough for them, it's good enough for me. What Bryce means about "safety" is the autotuning feature of the Procede. If you buy a JB3 right now, you get a FREE upgrade to the JB4. The JB4 also has autotuning and monitors timing. It can decrease boost if timing is bad along with other conditions.

The reason for the "safety" claims has always been for this reason. The fact remains that only 2 people have had problems with what started as a JB3 chip. The individuals who had issues opened the chip, removed resistors and put new resistors in there place to remove a safety feature of the JB3. The load resistors regulate and put a ceiling on the amount of boost you can run with the Jb3 and these guys wanted to run at a higher amount. They were both over 18psi on pump gasolene and no methanol fail safe.

If the guys had left the jb3 as it was stock, they probably wouldn't have had damage like they had.

There, that is my .02!

I have a JB3 and love it. I will have the JB4 b/4 x-mas I hope

The procede is also a good chip. I fealt the jb3 was a better option for me at the time though because it was half the price and when I looked at Dragtimes.com, I saw jb3 owners just as fast as the procede. In fact, they were faster!

[bryce]

Originally Posted by jojo135

Ah... c'mon Bryce! I think it is the opposite. The only tuner banned from this site is Terry. There seems to be much loyatly in the other direction if you know what I mean. You and I have had healthy, grown up discussions about the timing topic many times. We can do it again here but For the sake of the people reading who haven't been enlightened here is the scoop.

The DME(BMW name for ECU) controls all running aspects of the engine. The DME controls the timing on the car. BMW engineers made it and if it is good enough for them, it's good enough for me. What Bryce means about "safety" is the autotuning feature of the Procede. If you buy a JB3 right now, you get a FREE upgrade to the JB4. The JB4 also has autotuning and monitors timing. It can decrease boost if timing is bad along with other conditions.

The reason for the "safety" claims has always been for this reason. The fact remains that only 2 people have had problems with what started as a JB3 chip. The individuals who had issues opened the chip, removed resistors and put new resistors in there place to remove a safety feature of the JB3. The load resistors regulate and put a ceiling on the amount of boost you can run with the Jb3 and these guys wanted to run at a higher amount. They were both over 18psi on pump gasolene and no methanol fail safe.

If the guys had left the jb3 as it was stock, they probably wouldn't have had damage like they had.

There, that is my .02!

I have a JB3 and love it. I will have the JB4 b/4 x-mas I hope

The procede is also a good chip. I fealt the jb3 was a better option for me at the time though because it was half the price and when I looked at Dragtimes.com, I saw jb3 owners just as fast as the procede. In fact, they were faster!

tl;dr

[bryce]

just kidding jojo




in regards to relying on the stock DME to control timing in situations where the target boost is 50-100% higher than stock levels, read that thread i posted up from e90post. shiv nor terry told that 1addict to post that thread, it's his unbiased review of timing logs.


and the jb4 won't have full autotuning like the procede has. that won't be released until the jb pro board, sometime next year. the jb4 will have boost autotuning, which is a great improvement, but not as great as the procede autotuning.


again, i'm not purposefully dis'ing jb3 owners. i'm just providing another view of the tuning landscape for the n54. i'll agree with you that e90post is heavily procede biased. 1addicts tends to be jb3 biased, however.


cheers

[My535i]

30k miles should not be an issue, I drove my 08 535i Step for over 30k miles with JB3 on it the whole time. No issues AT ALL other than abnormally fast wearing rear tires

[jojo135]

I agree that the timing is better in that scenario on the procede. However, for the 95 percent of people who buy a chip to increase hp moderately 50 to 100 hp, timing wouldn't and doesn't look that way. The cars in that thread are pushing the limits of the stock turbos and Irish holds one of the works records (or he did until just recently) for 1/4 mile.

For heavily modified race cars, I agree, procede is better (until jb4 & pro is here ) at keeping timing in check. For the vast majorty of people though, jb3 is fine and won't cause any issues. 4k people are driving around with them on their cars right now and aren't having issues other than WANTING the jb4 so bad cause we are addicted to the JUICE!

Peace and remember, to each is own! Do your research, buy what u want.

[bryce]

^agreed and



for anyone that doesn't want to wait for the jb4 to be released, the procede already does everything that does and then some.


it's really beneficial to everyone that BMS is stepping up with new products. whichever tune you chose, it will only keep getting better due to the competition

[mineo77]

so just curious...what is a heavily modified car? keep seeing people refer to heavily modified cars and was wondering what the general opinion was on this. thanks

[moveswiftly]

Originally Posted by mineo77

so just curious...what is a heavily modified car? keep seeing people refer to heavily modified cars and was wondering what the general opinion was on this. thanks

I'd say at this point: Full Bolt on cars with meth running 17+ PSI.

[mineo77]

Originally Posted by chesterfan1230

I'd say at this point: Full Bolt on cars with meth running 17+ PSI.

but what are full bolt ons? just wondering cause i never really considered me heavily modded.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by jojo135

I agree that the timing is better in that scenario on the procede. However, for the 95 percent of people who buy a chip to increase hp moderately 50 to 100 hp, timing wouldn't and doesn't look that way. The cars in that thread are pushing the limits of the stock turbos and Irish holds one of the works records (or he did until just recently) for 1/4 mile.

For heavily modified race cars, I agree, procede is better (until jb4 & pro is here ) at keeping timing in check. For the vast majorty of people though, jb3 is fine and won't cause any issues. 4k people are driving around with them on their cars right now and aren't having issues other than WANTING the jb4 so bad cause we are addicted to the JUICE!

Peace and remember, to each is own! Do your research, buy what u want.

Over 4500 with the JB3! And with every new JB3 purchase you get a free upgrade to the JB4 which is in alpha testing now. It's light years ahead of the JB3 in terms of how it drives, how safe it is, etc. And the JB3 drives well and is really safe. So it's only getting better!

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by bryce

^agreed and



for anyone that doesn't want to wait for the jb4 to be released, the procede already does everything that does and then some.


it's really beneficial to everyone that BMS is stepping up with new products. whichever tune you chose, it will only keep getting better due to the competition

More options is better for everyone! Ever get that misfire problems sorted out? I sell a lot of JB3s (and soon to be JB4s!) to guys in similar situations. Maybe when the JB4 is ready you can give it another whirl...

Mike