Will a camber and toe kit fix this?

[Mr Gasser]

If not what else do I need? PLease can some expert tell me I don't need a new subframe.

[asbrr]

When you say camber and toe kit you mean new arms for the rear? That may fix the problem, unless the wheel carrier itself is bent somehow.....

How did you get to this point, did you hit something hard that caused the specs to go out of whack?

[Mr Gasser]

No, bought it salvage, noticed wear on inside of tires but I'm way beyond that, I want to correct the issue, I did order a right rear carrier and will have to dissemble to get to everything, but I sure hope I don't have to drop the sub frame if I can help it. there are three links to the carrier, and all the web sites have the terminology incorrect. One of the links is the guide rod and may or may not be aftermarket adjustable.

The other two are the camber and toe, but the correct terms are the track control (toe) and the "wishbone" (camber).

So which camber and toe kit do I get? I don't trust Ebay because they don't know the terms and I don't want to get the wrong parts.

I do want adjustable as possible.

[asbrr]

Originally Posted by Mr Gasser

No, bought it salvage, noticed wear on inside of tires but I'm way beyond that, I want to correct the issue, I did order a right rear carrier and will have to dissemble to get to everything, but I sure hope I don't have to drop the sub frame if I can help it. there are three links to the carrier, and all the web sites have the terminology incorrect. One of the links is the guide rod and may or may not be aftermarket adjustable.

The other two are the camber and toe, but the correct terms are the track control (toe) and the "wishbone" (camber).

So which camber and toe kit do I get? I don't trust Ebay because they don't know the terms and I don't want to get the wrong parts.

I do want adjustable as possible.

Ah I see - I would say it's much more likely the arms and/or the carrier are what was bent, the subframe is pretty damn hefty the car would have had to have been in a massive crash for that to be off. That would be something you can "see" when you take a look at the car in general....meaning the unibody would have had significant repair from damage etc etc...

EDIT: Sorry, I don't want to comment on which arms are your best bet, not enough of an expert for that but the "wishbone" or camber arm is for sure what primarily control camber, so that's a must....as for the toe....not entirely sure if it's just a single link or multiple.

[Mr Gasser]

Thanks, yeah I think the mechanic was trying to have his way with me. lol.

[asbrr]

Originally Posted by Mr Gasser

Thanks, yeah I think the mechanic was trying to have his way with me. lol.

Lol, let's hope not.

I assume you/mechanic did take a close look at the body for major repair/damage/straightening?

[Mr Gasser]

I wouldn't call him my mechanic, just the guy doing the alignment, who said they can do BMWs so I took a chance. But he's said I needed a new subframe, which I'm not going to do, just get the chamber/toe kit and the right rear spindle needed replacement so I got the carrier assembly on order.

[ShocknAwe]

Well, it's either NOTHING and just a shop which can't align a BMW for whatever reason (encountered that more than a few times), or one of your arms is bent slightly from an impact. I'd be pretty surprised if the rear subframe was damaged enough to do that. The arms are designed to bend out of shape. So given that the weak point goes first when forces approach critical, yeah.

[Mach1er]

My rear suspension was hit in a minor accident by an oncoming car, direct impact to the rear wheel. Rear camber was waaay off (you could see it). Even then, my subframe was totally fine. Doubt you'd need a new subframe. I had to get new arms, linkages etc.

I'm not an expert, but I'll chime in.

Hopefully it's just the wheel carriers, but if not here's some info.

As previously stated, wishbone controls camber. Tie rods handle toe (in the front) and wishbone/radial rod in the rear. Though, if more than one thing is bent, it could mess everything up.

For the front, it's pretty common for tie rods to get bent or the attachment points to wear out.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/show...10#32106765236

You might be able to see it, actually.

At least for the right rear it looks like you'd need new arms.

Front wishbone/radial rod:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/show...diagId=31_1219

Rear wishbone/radial rod:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/show...diagId=33_1930

[Mr Gasser]

thanks I will rep you for this ^^
I want to get the adjustable camber toe kit, which should I get ? is this one cool?:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221619772950...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Mach1er]

If you really want an adjustable rear camber kit, I'd get it from somewhere other than Ebay. BavAuto is a good choice, so is Turner Motorsport.

http://www.bavauto.com/shop.asp?HC1=...M=135i%20Coupe

I'd ask them directly what they recommend. Good customer support, from what I've heard.

The ebay stuff might not be plug-and-play. They don't guarantee that all necessary hardware is included. Not to mention quality of parts.

[E82MSport]

If the subframe was bent, I would also suspect the suspension arms would also be, seeing as they are designed to deform in an impact. I'm with the other guys here saying the subframe is most likely not bent.

The only way to be absolutely certain is by putting it on a frame rack and have it measured.

[Kgolf31]

Caster is completely outside whatever I've seen OE run at.

Rear right toe is beyond and reasonable amount. I'd be highly concerned about possible damage done to suspension.

[RyanDavies]

Holy moly. Front caster is 2 degrees more than I could get basically no matter what I'd do. There's something going on there. I don't even know how 10 would be possible without a front tire contacting the front bumper tab 100% of the time.

[Mr Gasser]

Yes it is being corrected, just don't want to replace subframe, that is the main issue, the rest of the components are being replaced.

[Mr Gasser]

Front is OK, rear is the nightmare.

[RyanDavies]

Uh, I wouldn't call it "okay". It's way way way out of spec.

[Mr Gasser]

The caster is not adjustable on the front, you are reading the chart right? the other numbers are borderline. Ha, are you reading it correctly?

[titium]

did they try to adjust the rear camber at all? fair bit of adjustment in it. if they did then yep something's bent. but I've found shops generally don't like touching camber unless you specifically ask and even then it's hit and miss.

does look like it's taken a hit on right looking at the front and rear toe.

if you're not lowered i wouldn't get adjustable toe arms to fix the issue you need to find the cause.

first step would be to speak to the mech who did the alignment and see if they tried to adjust the rear camber you will find camber will change your toe and may bring both in spec.

[Mr Gasser]

No he did not touch anything. Thats the way it was when he brought it in. I gave my number to the front desk guy to have the mechanic call me and he never did, the dick.

I hope I can get some help here, I'm going to replace the right carrier assembly and the upper lower control arms on both sides. There are three control arms on each side plus the traiiling arm.

My plan is to replace the camber arms with adjustble ones, the tracking arms with adjustable ones. then get two good guide arms.

Lastly check the trailing arms and see if those need replacing.

anything else?

[RyanDavies]

My point is that with the caster that far out of the norm, something is very clearly bent, or read incorrectly.

[Mr Gasser]

Well I'm not too worried about the caster in the front because the tires are fine, still 8/10 while the rear tires are almost bald from the inside out esp on the right side where it got hit.