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      11-17-2011, 10:38 PM   #177
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Certainly cant agree with that, unless you are also adding stock tyres for both 135 and 1M but that would not be fair at all. So assuming same tread JB4 is pretty smooth in my book

nothing to do with tyres, its how its delivered, jb4 is fast but brutal,
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      11-17-2011, 10:40 PM   #178
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Agreed.
A handheld flash, if maps done properly, could be brilliant on the 1M. Zuzu must do it first and report back!

So when's you dad buying my car Alex??

he's tempted but really, its over the top, bloody good buy though

if the ess maintains all the driver connection to the car, it would be awesome
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      11-17-2011, 11:33 PM   #179
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Certainly cant agree with that, unless you are also adding stock tyres for both 135 and 1M but that would not be fair at all. So assuming same tread JB4 is pretty smooth in my book

nothing to do with tyres, its how its delivered, jb4 is fast but brutal,
1m tyres 100% better than 135 rft's
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      11-17-2011, 11:43 PM   #180
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1m tyres 100% better than 135 rft's
Not RFT's...both 135's had good tyres...mine are the PSS, while 1M has PS2's
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not if it takes even a bees dick of throttle response out of it, i really learned how inportant that was yesterday, if you cant feather the throttle while on the limit with the back wheels just hanging on then there is no fun in it. with a jb4 there is virtually no throttle control, its on or off, makes yor car un driveable in the wet at speed, unless your vettle or some kind of track god

jb4 on a 1m would be like tomato sauce on caviar
Agree about loss of throttle control with a tune, you're just not sure where the power will kick in. My 335 was tuned and the extra power was great but it made a bit of a lottery out of cornering on the throttle. If I was smooth with the throttle the power would inevitably arrive too late and if was agressive it would arrive....at some point.....but spin up the inside wheel and squirm all over the place making for an untidy episode. Admitedly it didn't help at all that it was an auto, however in stock form, i.e. without the tune, it was far more responsive.

Drag racing is different. I'm not a drag racer but I imagine that it doesn't matter about a sudden power surge at some point in the rev range as long as you have traction and stability with it.
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      11-18-2011, 01:34 AM   #182
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1m tyres 100% better than 135 rft's
as Ian said and the 135i has RE11's which are awesome i my opinion
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      11-18-2011, 01:36 AM   #183
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Sorry I assumed the 1er's came with rft's
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      11-18-2011, 01:38 AM   #184
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Interesting comments in this thread. Some of you guys really need to experience a tune, you are really missing out on somethign special. And before you say the power delivery of the 1M is so smooth check out some of the power curves of tuned N54's first. It's quite epic.

I'm not going to lie, my 135i feels slow on stock map (190-195kw) and Map 1 (235kw). Map 2 (249kw) feels like the perfect 'minimum' level for me. The 1M dynos at 220kw... When you line the 2 cars up side by side then you'll see what it's all about... seeing is believing

On the track, it's another story. I'm going out to QR and will most likely use Map 2 or my Meth maps but at Lakeside I will probably tone it down to Map 1 power because that track is all about the handling and corners.

IMHO, all a 1M needs is some kind of tune - especially since it's so easy, otherwise it's a great out of the box. Do it, it's the best few hundred bucks you will ever spend.
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not if it takes even a bees dick of throttle response out of it, i really learned how inportant that was yesterday, if you cant feather the throttle while on the limit with the back wheels just hanging on then there is no fun in it. with a jb4 there is virtually no throttle control, its on or off, makes yor car un driveable in the wet at speed, unless your vettle or some kind of track god

jb4 on a 1m would be like tomato sauce on caviar
As I stated in my post above, the extra power is not necessary on all tracks but it's nice to have that power every other day you're not tracking your car, which I assume is at least 355+ days a year. I suggest you take some time to research the piggyback options like JB4/Procede as they allow you toggle through different maps by pressing a couple buttons on your steering wheel. If the extra power is too much you can switch back to stock within seconds on the fly. I can even change my meth additive on the fly
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      11-18-2011, 01:40 AM   #185
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Agreed.
A handheld flash, if maps done properly, could be brilliant on the 1M. Zuzu must do it first and report back!

So when's you dad buying my car Alex??
I might be the first . However, Dinan has also put one out - waiting Andrew to get back to me.
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      11-18-2011, 01:40 AM   #186
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Sorry I assumed the 1er's came with rft's
the 135i do?
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      11-18-2011, 01:43 AM   #187
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Sorry I assumed the 1er's came with rft's
they do but they wore out 2 years ago, ha ha, they are pretty good on the track i have to say, but no where near as god as ad08's or RE11's

i cannot make wakefield or any more track days this year so sorry can't make it in december, this should be the busiest time of year for me and yet i am on the forums wanking on about cars when i should be flat out, thanks anyway, i am really keen for next year however, feb or march, i'd love to see someone turn up with a 1m and ess tune
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      11-18-2011, 01:47 AM   #188
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As I stated in my post above, the extra power is not necessary on all tracks but it's nice to have that power every other day you're not tracking your car, which I assume is at least 355+ days a year. I suggest you take some time to research the piggyback options like JB4/Procede as they allow you toggle through different maps by pressing a couple buttons on your steering wheel. If the extra power is too much you can switch back to stock within seconds on the fly. I can even change my meth additive on the fly
i was on map 5, is there a map you reccommend i'll let the old man know before he puts it into a wall
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      11-18-2011, 02:08 AM   #189
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i was on map 5, is there a map you reccommend i'll let the old man know before he puts it into a wall
Map 5 is ratshit, don't bother with it. Plus it takes time to adapt and it resets each time you change maps. It's very conservatively tuned.

What mods does your old man have? If he's 100% stock leave it on Map 1. If he's got any bolt-ons go for Map 2.

Map 1 on a stock N54 would be very similar to power to the 1M though as they make similar boost. My Map 1 is more powerful due my supporting mods though.
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      11-18-2011, 02:09 AM   #190
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map 1 then, thanks i'll try it out
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I might be the first . However, Dinan has also put one out - waiting Andrew to get back to me.
pretty sure Dinan's tune is pretty average compared with the others and requires additionaly hardware, as it's essentially the stage 2 135i tune which if I'm correct they say requires additional boltons.

Not sure.
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map 1 then, thanks i'll try it out
Give it a few pulls as it takes time to adapt if it's the first time. You should throw the JB4 in your 1M, you won't regret it. Thousands of people have experienced these tuned N54's for over 5 years now... they all can't be wrong
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      11-18-2011, 02:18 AM   #193
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i was on map 5, is there a map you reccommend i'll let the old man know before he puts it into a wall
Your old man has balls of steel...200 down the straight at EC in the wet!!
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Plus it takes time to adapt and it resets each time you change maps.
Really?...PROCede remembers autotunes settings for each map.
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Give it a few pulls as it takes time to adapt if it's the first time. You should throw the JB4 in your 1M, you won't regret it. Thousands of people have experienced these tuned N54's for over 5 years now... they all can't be wrong
Don' put any piggyback in a 1M
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my old mans reliving his youth thats what worries me, 200 in the wet is fine but with those semi slick tyres, faaark, i'll tell him to use map 1 next time.
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Also to add to this perspective .... Joe you said that the 1M felt faster & more powerful than you 255kW vert ?
It does down low, and the power is easier to control, but bear in mind that I havent even really pushed the 1M to its full potential..

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Agreed.
A handheld flash, if maps done properly, could be brilliant on the 1M. Zuzu must do it first and report back!
Easy does it Ian..lol..Few more months yet before I tune..
Just paid the balance of my daughters wedding for next weekend up in Bris Vegas and I am BROKE..

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I might be the first . However, Dinan has also put one out - waiting Andrew to get back to me.
Go for it Sparoz.. Looks like you and Alpine might be the first two 1M's to flash..
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Really?...PROCede remembers autotunes settings for each map.
Only on Map 5 which is the auto-tune map.

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You do realise JB4 and Procede are piggybacks right?
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