WAGNER tuning new FMIC received and installed

EINSER M · 03-21-2012, 12:40 PM

Getting near the end of the rope for bolt on power mods, and this was my final answer: the WAGNER tuning EVO intercooler. The company shipped it out from Germany very well packaged via UPS expedited.

My readings pointed to the ETS and the Wagner as candidates. Harold @ HP Autowerks gave the best price for the ETS so if anyone is going with that FMIC contact him! But this is what won it for me: the Wagner 1M intercooler has a step design that results in about 85% greater surface than stock IC, it does not require any trimming, cutting and is total plug and play using all factory mounting points without any bumper removal. The Wagner unit was made in Germany and is bar and plate in design. I found out there are two designs out there, bar and plate vs tube and fin (the latter being more popular in Europe, the former more popular in NA). This is where I got my intercooler from:

http://wagner-tuning.de/EN/products/...ntercooler.php

Started work with my buddy Sam @ 2300. Ramped the car up and there we were:

I'm not good at writing DYI's but essentially you remove the plastic undertray with ten billion bolts (that alone takes time!), then you loosen two factory bolts from under the OEM intercooler, loosen two hose clips and then wiggle the OEM intercooler down. There is an additional plastic piece that needs to be removed on the passenger side top before you can install the Wagner FMIC in but after that is done, it is all smooth sailing! The Wagner sends you a set of extended bolt, plastic spacer and nut you have to use to mount. Replace under tray and voila, all done.

Pics comparison of the Wagner vs OEM

Took 3 hours to do the 1M (more than half of that was sheer dumbness like losing a black under tray screw and looking for it on my black garage floors!

). After finishing the 1M we got to work on Hackulo's E92 335 and we finished it up under 1hr.

too tired to drive the car last night after install and my commute to work is too short to really comment on its gains over the stock FMIC but will update this again at a later time.

Dackelone · 03-21-2012, 12:43 PM

Congrats Einser_M! Now let us know what your butt dyno thinks.

EINSER M · 03-21-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dackelone

Congrats Einser_M! Now let us know what your butt dyno thinks.

Thanx for the recommendation Dack, you played a big part in that one!!!!
Dyno dyno dyno...ok maybe soon!

RimasRS · 03-21-2012, 01:23 PM

Why there is price difference between 135i and 1m IC they are same

1LazyBmw · 03-21-2012, 02:37 PM

Wow that looks bad ass.. can't wait to see it on your car!

Dackelone · 03-21-2012, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RimasRS

Why there is price difference between 135i and 1m IC they are same

Wagner actually makes two kits. One for the 135i and one for the 1M - although the sizes listed by Wagner are the same. The 1M unit is 30 euros more than the 135i unit.

135i version Size 520 x 210 x130, 11.752cm³ Volume (OEM stock FMIC 510x130x110mm, 7293cm³ Volumen)

http://www.wagner-tuning.de/EN/produ...rcoolerENG.php

1M version Size 520 x 210 x130, 11.752cm³ Volume (OEM stock FMIC 510x130x110mm, 7293cm³ Volumen)
http://www.wagner-tuning.de/EN/produ...ntercooler.php

blackdog · 03-21-2012, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EINSER M

Thanx for the recommendation Dack, you played a big part in that one!!!!
Dyno dyno dyno...ok maybe soon!

Hi Einser, I have a couple of questions for you if you have the time to answer them for me.

Can you confirm that there is definitely no cutting required when fitting this intercooler?

How many inches does the Wagner step section cover the flow to the radiator?

Is the whole of the Wagner face directly open to the gap in the front bumper or is some behind the bumper at the top and the bottom of the face?

Also, are the dimensions that Dack has posted above just the dimensions of the OEM and Wagner cores or do they include the end tanks? If you could measure your OEM that would be an added bonus, not necessary though.

Many thanks in advance for taking the time to answer this for me.

EINSER M · 03-21-2012, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackdog

Hi Einser, I have a couple of questions for you if you have the time to answer them for me.

Can you confirm that there is definitely no cutting required when fitting this intercooler?

How many inches does the Wagner step section cover the flow to the radiator?

Is the whole of the Wagner face directly open to the gap in the front bumper or is some behind the bumper at the top and the bottom of the face?

Also, are the dimensions that Dack has posted above just the dimensions of the OEM and Wagner cores or do they include the end tanks? If you could measure your OEM that would be an added bonus, not necessary though.

Many thanks in advance for taking the time to answer this for me.

i'm sorry the only answer i can provide you with is YES the FMIC has zero cutting zero trimming, it fits perfectly. i didnt take any measurements before i put it up but email Wagner and i am sure they will be able to send you all the info. The email is info@wagner-tuning.de. They are in DE but emails are very fast and very friendly!!!!

NC · 03-21-2012, 05:31 PM

Looks promising. Please share your thoughts on it post install when/if you can. Thanks for posting.

HACKULO · 03-21-2012, 06:32 PM

3 hours work plus bring the food to u. I feel I am like a cheap maid.

lol

no cutting no trimming at all. plug and play. very ns product. I am really happy with this on my 335i. M.I.G. ftw.

EINSER M · 03-21-2012, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC

Looks promising. Please share your thoughts on it post
install when/if you can. Thanks for posting.

will do, give me a few days

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hackuloh

3 hours work plus bring the food to u. I feel I am like a cheap maid.

lol

no cutting no trimming at all. plug and play. very ns product. I am really happy with this on my 335i. M.I.G. ftw.

that was microwaved food i want my money back for this maid service
im also writing to your headquarters!

VO 1M · 03-22-2012, 01:04 AM

indeed, no cutting what so ever. I have one installed myself.

RaptorKTM · 03-22-2012, 02:04 AM

wow really like the fact you don't have to take the front bumper off. Definitely something im going to consider.

Papethova · 03-22-2012, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hackuloh

3 hours work plus bring the food to u. I feel I am like a cheap maid.

lol

no cutting no trimming at all. plug and play. very ns product. I am really happy with this on my 335i. M.I.G. ftw.

You feel like a cheap maid? How should I feel if Im the one doing the work for the cheap maid??? What does that make me?

bklounge · 03-22-2012, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papethova

You feel like a cheap maid? How should I feel if Im the one doing the work for the cheap maid??? What does that make me?

The IC looks great! I'm also in the market so I'll definitely consider this unit.

Pablito1702 · 03-22-2012, 09:37 PM

Is the Wagner bar and plate construction? I read another post where the Helix guys were ragging on Wagner for copying their design concept and saying the construction was inferior tube and fin.

EINSER M · 03-22-2012, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablito1702

Is the Wagner bar and plate construction? I read another post where the Helix guys were ragging on Wagner for copying their design concept and saying the construction was inferior tube and fin.

the 1M FMIC from Wagner has both options: bar and plate or tube and fin. the former seems to be popular in the states and the latter more popular in Europe. from what I understood tube and fin lighter but bar and plate has better internals in any case I went with bar and plate

HACKULO · 03-23-2012, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papethova

You feel like a cheap maid? How should I feel if Im the one doing the work for the cheap maid??? What does that make me?

lol so u r the maid's maid. call MSM lol

Papethova · 03-23-2012, 07:43 AM

Is maid from china almost as bad as made in china?

it sure looked like it last night

EINSER M · 03-23-2012, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papethova

Is maid from china almost as bad as made in china?

it sure looked like it last night

QC was bad but after install support was top notch

Papethova · 03-23-2012, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EINSER M

QC was bad but after install support was top notch

Just to clarify I didnt mean the product... lets be clear that FMIC is NOT made in China.

I dont want casual readers to not realize the China stuff is a joke about a person we know.

cooler2442 · 03-23-2012, 01:53 PM

Looks like a good alternative to the no cutting ETS intercooler. Would be great to get a third person party to do a comparison between em with actual data/numbers.

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EINSER M Major General Drives: 2011 E82 1M Join Date: May 2006 Location: 34.1064° N, 117.5922° W, 300m altitude Posts: 5,266 iTrader: (37) Garage List 2011 E82 1M \| SOLD [3.80] 2012 E82 135 \| CURRENT [2.00] 2011 E90 335 \| CURRENT [4.33] 2006 E60 550 \| CURRENT [3.00] 2007 E85 Z4M\| SOLD [1.50] 2003 E53 X5 4.6is S ... [4.50] 2008 E92 328 \| SOLD [0.00] 2008 E82 135 \| SOLD [0.00] 2008 E90 335 \| SOLD [0.00] 2003 E46 M3 \| SOLD [3.75] 2006 E90 330 \| SOLD [5.00] 2003 E46 330ZHP \| SOLD [0.00]	WAGNER tuning new FMIC received and installed Getting near the end of the rope for bolt on power mods, and this was my final answer: the WAGNER tuning EVO intercooler. The company shipped it out from Germany very well packaged via UPS expedited. My readings pointed to the ETS and the Wagner as candidates. Harold @ HP Autowerks gave the best price for the ETS so if anyone is going with that FMIC contact him! But this is what won it for me: the Wagner 1M intercooler has a step design that results in about 85% greater surface than stock IC, it does not require any trimming, cutting and is total plug and play using all factory mounting points without any bumper removal. The Wagner unit was made in Germany and is bar and plate in design. I found out there are two designs out there, bar and plate vs tube and fin (the latter being more popular in Europe, the former more popular in NA). This is where I got my intercooler from: http://wagner-tuning.de/EN/products/...ntercooler.php Started work with my buddy Sam @ 2300. Ramped the car up and there we were: I'm not good at writing DYI's but essentially you remove the plastic undertray with ten billion bolts (that alone takes time!), then you loosen two factory bolts from under the OEM intercooler, loosen two hose clips and then wiggle the OEM intercooler down. There is an additional plastic piece that needs to be removed on the passenger side top before you can install the Wagner FMIC in but after that is done, it is all smooth sailing! The Wagner sends you a set of extended bolt, plastic spacer and nut you have to use to mount. Replace under tray and voila, all done. Pics comparison of the Wagner vs OEM Took 3 hours to do the 1M (more than half of that was sheer dumbness like losing a black under tray screw and looking for it on my black garage floors! ). After finishing the 1M we got to work on Hackulo's E92 335 and we finished it up under 1hr. too tired to drive the car last night after install and my commute to work is too short to really comment on its gains over the stock FMIC but will update this again at a later time. __________________ THE EINSER M BUILD CLICK HERE: EINSER M BUILD
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HACKULO Captain Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 641 iTrader: (10) Garage List 2012 BMW 335i coupe [0.00] 2008 135i [3.00]	3 hours work plus bring the food to u. I feel I am like a cheap maid. lol no cutting no trimming at all. plug and play. very ns product. I am really happy with this on my 335i. M.I.G. ftw. __________________ cheap fast cars arent reliable reliable cheap cars arent fast and fast reliable cars ARENT CHEAP
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Pablito1702 Pablo Drives: 2009 135i Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 232 iTrader: (1)	Is the Wagner bar and plate construction? I read another post where the Helix guys were ragging on Wagner for copying their design concept and saying the construction was inferior tube and fin. __________________ BMW PPK V2, BMW PE, Dinan Stage 1 suspension w Koni adjustable dampers, M3 26mm sway bar, M3 front control arm kit, M3 strut brace, M3 steering wheel, Michelin PSS
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cooler2442 Brigadier General Drives: '11 135 Sport DCT Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Valley, Los Angeles Posts: 3,601 iTrader: (5)	Looks like a good alternative to the no cutting ETS intercooler. Would be great to get a third person party to do a comparison between em with actual data/numbers. __________________
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Dackelone Moderator Drives: 135i Silber mit/Rot 6MT N54 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany Posts: 14,301 iTrader: (0)	Congrats Einser_M! Now let us know what your butt dyno thinks.
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NC Private Drives: BSM 1M Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NC Posts: 90 iTrader: (0)	Looks promising. Please share your thoughts on it post install when/if you can. Thanks for posting.
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VO 1M Private First Class Drives: 1M Coupe Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 171 iTrader: (0)	indeed, no cutting what so ever. I have one installed myself.
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