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      07-17-2012, 07:42 PM   #89
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Please before you make another post, hit up google. Oh wow.. You have absolutely no idea - yes they used mg cos its lighter, but they used it AND alu because alu is stronger for the stuff that needs more strength, where tey can't use any OTHER materials as when te block gets hot, both mg and alu have same thermal expansion properties, they work well together

Diamond shaped as in they taper into the middle

The big point here is all the internals (cylinder walls, everything) are made of aluminium.. The mg just WRAPS around it all

On the aubject of o2 sims, they don't wearout, theyre a metal tube

Not forged, billet cnc'd

You'll see whether or not the n52 can take decent power soon enough. There is absolutely NO solid proof of anyone trying and failing yet

And i can't find anything on it being a 100% green engine.. Yeah they have all their 'green' tech in it, but it was designed for total performance. Fuel efficieny via light weight and response, valvetronic is both for power and efficiency for example.

Highway it uses 7/100 sure, (litres) but cane it on the track and it's more like 35/100 lol
If the "sims" are metal pipes, they're not actually sims at all-- they're extenders.

They're pretty commonly used on older cars, but I haven't seen anyone have any success with extenders on the e9X or e6X. Maybe the 1 has a less advanced ecu? Has anyone successfully used them yet?
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New 128i chat thread policy, ignore NYC6. As the biggest infractor of this I will try to lead by example.
Refrain from comments like this childish quip you do on a nearly daily basis.
"Well, when you car breaks less it's hard to have tons of threads complaining about the engine putting us into limp mode. "

You're the 'leader' in starting shit wars.
You do it regarding automatics v manuals, sport package v non sport, 128 v 135. You just have to always be the instigator.
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Please before you make another post, hit up google. Oh wow.. You have absolutely no idea - yes they used mg cos its lighter, but they used it AND alu because alu is stronger for the stuff that needs more strength, where tey can't use any OTHER materials as when te block gets hot, both mg and alu have same thermal expansion properties, they work well together

Diamond shaped as in they taper into the middle

The big point here is all the internals (cylinder walls, everything) are made of aluminium.. The mg just WRAPS around it all

On the aubject of o2 sims, they don't wearout, theyre a metal tube

Not forged, billet cnc'd

You'll see whether or not the n52 can take decent power soon enough. There is absolutely NO solid proof of anyone trying and failing yet

And i can't find anything on it being a 100% green engine.. Yeah they have all their 'green' tech in it, but it was designed for total performance. Fuel efficieny via light weight and response, valvetronic is both for power and efficiency for example.

Highway it uses 7/100 sure, (litres) but cane it on the track and it's more like 35/100 lol
If the "sims" are metal pipes, they're not actually sims at all-- they're extenders.

They're pretty commonly used on older cars, but I haven't seen anyone have any success with extenders on the e9X or e6X. Maybe the 1 has a less advanced ecu? Has anyone successfully used them yet?
Ah really? Everything i can find still calls them sims. No reason they ahouldn't work, you'd jut have to calculate how far to space it out so it gets a similar reading to stock
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Ah really? Everything i can find still calls them sims. No reason they ahouldn't work, you'd jut have to calculate how far to space it out so it gets a similar reading to stock
http://www.o2simulator.com/

Extenders may will work. They did on my e39 M5!

I've just read repeatedly that they don't on the 60 or 90 as the ECUs are more sensitive than the older ones.
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Oh and nyc, what thread was that from?

More airflow lower to my mind would either lean out the afr unless the ecu can really really adapt, or increase fuel consumption a large amount - i could be wrong on both counts though lol

Its nothing like a camry engine lol, low power cast iron block etc.

Quoting an opinion still isnt proof that the engine can't handle high power, the top model of the n52 is more like 205kw n/a, and for a 3L 6 that's pretty close to top of the range.

There have alreay been sc n52's too, arma makes a kit, just the kit itself is shit, they still make well over 300hp and haven't grenades yet

The cylinder walls (from memory) are alusil anyway, for higher heat handling and strength
The rods (from google) are forged steel.

I'm personally watching mmw develop their sc kit (as dodgy as they generally seem) i hope if they do reach their 350whp goal you'll finally agree

If not, well you'll FINALLY have proof and there'll be no more to say on the matter

Another reason to not use the n52 over the n54 would probably be the cost, alu mg alusil, hydroforming.. The n52 package is MUCH more expensive to produce and sell than the n54, just imagine how much the 1m would cost if it used all the most advanced tech available? I'd guess way more then the m3 lol
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Anyone else having suspension thoughts? Trying to decide how far I want to go. I'll be getting TCK coilovers(likely SA) at a minimum, and probably the various M3 bits, but I'm trying to decide if I want to go for the Mason engineering bar as well.

As always, they have a serious setup:

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Another reason to not use the n52 over the n54 would probably be the cost, alu mg alusil, hydroforming.. The n52 package is MUCH more expensive to produce and sell than the n54, just imagine how much the 1m would cost if it used all the most advanced tech available? I'd guess way more then the m3 lol
1M was a parts bin car that was pretty limited from the factory to keep it slower than the E92 M3. And I don't mean that in a way to diminish it in the slightest, it is an awesome machine.
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Another reason to not use the n52 over the n54 would probably be the cost, alu mg alusil, hydroforming.. The n52 package is MUCH more expensive to produce and sell than the n54, just imagine how much the 1m would cost if it used all the most advanced tech available? I'd guess way more then the m3 lol
1M was a parts bin car that was pretty limited from the factory to keep it slower than the E92 M3. And I don't mean that in a way to diminish it in the slightest, it is an awesome machine.
Even then it had faster lap times still
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If the 135i is so reliable why are there so many for sale just out of warranty over in the 'for sale' section? How come there aren't hardly any 128s? I would think there'd be dozens of 128s being sold so we can extend our penises through the purchase of a 135i.
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If the 135i is so reliable why are there so many for sale just out of warranty over in the 'for sale' section? How come there aren't hardly any 128s? I would think there'd be dozens of 128s being sold so we can extend our penises through the purchase of a 135i.

This made me LOL for real. Its true : /

But anyways do any of you have the BMW Performance suspension installed on the 128i? is it awesome and worth buying?
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Even then it had faster lap times still
It's hard to get away from weight and a good platform.

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This made me LOL for real. Its true : /

But anyways do any of you have the BMW Performance suspension installed on the 128i? is it awesome and worth buying?
Generally the BMW stuff is a very minor/conservative upgrade, if at all, for a pretty large amount of money.
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Even then it had faster lap times still
It's hard to get away from weight and a good platform.

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This made me LOL for real. Its true : /

But anyways do any of you have the BMW Performance suspension installed on the 128i? is it awesome and worth buying?
Generally the BMW stuff is a very minor/conservative upgrade, if at all, for a pretty large amount of money.
Ya, better off with bushings/sway bar/strut brace or control arm etc for the price?
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Just letting anyone know in the Philly area there's a meet tomorrow at King of Prussia mall. I'm going to try to be there. It would be nice to get more 128s there.

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I'm trying to decide if I want to go for the Mason engineering bar as well.

As always, they have a serious setup:


What purpose is there to this bar vs Swaybar?
How is this different then the Tisher retrofit kit that allows you to adjust Coilovers without undoing somebolts.Forgot its name.

The BMP version looks weak compared to Mason and other versions in the Vendor section
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What purpose is there to this bar vs Swaybar?
They both stiffen up the body from flexing and having both stiffens the body even more.

I think they have ones for the rear shock towers as well.
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I'm trying to decide if I want to go for the Mason engineering bar as well.

As always, they have a serious setup:


What purpose is there to this bar vs Swaybar?
How is this different then the Tisher retrofit kit that allows you to adjust Coilovers without undoing somebolts.Forgot its name.

The BMP version looks weak compared to Mason and other versions in the Vendor section
Think of suspension as a box, close the top to stiffen the whole thing up, less flex more precise.. I don't care what people say, every car i've owned with front strut brace is so much more precise after, its very noticable and a fairly cheap mod

Bmwp one looks pretty solid, i doubt there would be a noteable difference.. Measureable sure, but not to people
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Just letting anyone know in the Philly area there's a meet tomorrow at King of Prussia mall. I'm going to try to be there. It would be nice to get more 128s there.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=677346
Interesting, I'm local to that.

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Think of suspension as a box, close the top to stiffen the whole thing up, less flex more precise.. I don't care what people say, every car i've owned with front strut brace is so much more precise after, its very noticable and a fairly cheap mod

Bmwp one looks pretty solid, i doubt there would be a noteable difference.. Measureable sure, but not to people
Going to have to disagree there, the Mason Engineering bars tend to take the bracing far beyond other kits. If you notice, there is no hinging or two piece design. Instead it is a solid frame welded to the mounting plates. You could tell the difference in the E36 between the Mason and the Dinan versions, I have little doubt it is the same here.
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Just letting anyone know in the Philly area there's a meet tomorrow at King of Prussia mall. I'm going to try to be there. It would be nice to get more 128s there.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=677346
Interesting, I'm local to that.

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Think of suspension as a box, close the top to stiffen the whole thing up, less flex more precise.. I don't care what people say, every car i've owned with front strut brace is so much more precise after, its very noticable and a fairly cheap mod

Bmwp one looks pretty solid, i doubt there would be a noteable difference.. Measureable sure, but not to people
Going to have to disagree there, the Mason Engineering bars tend to take the bracing far beyond other kits. If you notice, there is no hinging or two piece design. Instead it is a solid frame welded to the mounting plates. You could tell the difference in the E36 between the Mason and the Dinan versions, I have little doubt it is the same here.
Have you used a hinge one before?

I've always had hinge ones, videos show the hinges don't pivot

Besides, the bmwp one isn't hinged, it's bolted flat.

Sure the mason one would be far stiffer, but whether or not that lets you pull more g's...
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As Stig suggested, the only way to minimize trolls is to ignore them. If we keep arguing 128s versus 135s then we shouldn't be surprised if they chime in.

I was a bit concerned about the n52 when I bought my 128i convertible. So I researched where else there were automotive engines where the pistons ride on the aluminum block. That hasn't been mentioned exactly in this thread but was a bigger concern to me than the composite aluminum/magnesium block. I found that BMW used linerless blocks in their larger 5 and 7 series before the 3 and 1 series. That was a little comforting and then I found linerless is what Porsche uses. I still kind of like the "old school" idea of a iron liner in the aluminum block but the linerless approach is not really all that new at this point and seems to work well.

My comment about injectors might have been off-base, when I was researching this we were also flipping between the California engine and the X5 n52, not the 330i. One of them had different injectors but it might have been the california engine (is it the n51?).

I agree about the e36 M3 being surprisingly similar to the 128i in specifications. One item I've noticed in a local autocross, however, is that it is geared differently. I can run almost the entire autocross in 2nd gear but the e36 guys run it in 3rd. Letting the engine spin more for a given mph seems to be common for M cars. It should help the acceleration but I believe the 128i and e36 M3 are also pretty close in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

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