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///M1 · 02-13-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by M1one1M

So you're saying that 255/35/19 will rub in the front on stock suspension?

Interested to know myself, but I think this was specific to the PSSs, may not be the case with PS2s, so would be good for someone to confirm as far as the latter. The PSSs are a lot more 'square' than the PS2s so perhaps that has something to do with it?

HP Autowerks · 02-13-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by M1one1M

So you're saying that 255/35/19 will rub in the front on stock suspension?

No, simply stating the next mod for this particular customer.

M3 Adjuster · 02-22-2012, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by robertm

I am definitly going wider on the next set of tires. First and most of second gear is kind of a joke right now. Here's what I found on Tirerack. All prices are before shipping.

Here's the 3 or 4 best options as I see them:

265/30ZR19 XL Michelin Pilot Super Sport
295/30ZR19 XL Michelin Pilot Super Sport
$1568

265/30ZR19 XL Continental ExtremeContact DW
285/35ZR19 Continental ExtremeContact DW
$1064

265/30ZR19 XL Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
295/30ZR19 XL Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
$1044

265/30ZR19 XL Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
285/30ZR19 XL Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
$1012

The Michelins PSS seem to be the uncontested best of the best. At 50% more cost than the other options though it may not be worth the money to some. Between the other two it seems the Contis are a bit better. But with the Hankooks you can get to the 295 width in the rear.

I have a few months to go before I need new shoes. I'm hoping some other folks try a few of these out in the mean time!

ME TOO! Great post.

eeghie · 02-22-2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by robertm

I am definitly going wider on the next set of tires. First and most of second gear is kind of a joke right now. Here's what I found on Tirerack. All prices are before shipping.

Here's the 3 or 4 best options as I see them:

265/30ZR19 XL Michelin Pilot Super Sport
295/30ZR19 XL Michelin Pilot Super Sport
$1568

265/30ZR19 XL Continental ExtremeContact DW
285/35ZR19 Continental ExtremeContact DW
$1064

265/30ZR19 XL Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
295/30ZR19 XL Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
$1044

265/30ZR19 XL Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
285/30ZR19 XL Hankook Ventus V12 evo K110
$1012

The Michelins PSS seem to be the uncontested best of the best. At 50% more cost than the other options though it may not be worth the money to some. Between the other two it seems the Contis are a bit better. But with the Hankooks you can get to the 295 width in the rear.

I have a few months to go before I need new shoes. I'm hoping some other folks try a few of these out in the mean time!

Great thread topic, thx OP.

robertm aren't you worried the 265's in the front will be problematic? Alternatively can you confirm 'trying/running 265 front without issues?

Sorry to plead ignorance on this, but what makes you say 2nd gear is kind of a joke? Is it because of abundant wheel spin or because of general rear tire wear (even without frequent spin)? or else ...

eeghie · 02-22-2012, 07:22 AM

As rear grip is not a DD problem (yet). I'm thinking of running 265 square as that is easy to rotate and provides some front curb protection.

any thoughts on/beyond front fitment?

robertm · 02-22-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by eeghie

Great thread topic, thx OP.

robertm aren't you worried the 265's in the front will be problematic? Alternatively can you confirm 'trying/running 265 front without issues?

Sorry to plead ignorance on this, but what makes you say 2nd gear is kind of a joke? Is it because of abundant wheel spin or because of general rear tire wear (even without frequent spin)? or else ...

You are right. I meant the tires just light up into a smoky oblivion right now with the 265 rears. If you turn the tc all the way off and stomp on the go petal the car tends to transfer most of the power into a rubbery smoky cloud of wasted forward momentum. Wider rear tires would do a lot to help put the power to the ground.

I haven't switched tires yet so I can't confirm anything. I'm hoping someone else will be the guinea pig. I'm also thinking if there is just a slight rub on the front then probably some 5mm spacers will solve the issue.

Fundahl · 02-22-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by robertm

You are right. I meant the tires just light up into a smoky oblivion right now with the 265 rears. If you turn the tc all the way off and stomp on the go petal the car tends to transfer most of the power into a rubbery smoky cloud of wasted forward momentum. Wider rear tires would do a lot to help put the power to the ground.

I haven't switched tires yet so I can't confirm anything. I'm hoping someone else will be the guinea pig. I'm also thinking if there is just a slight rub on the front then probably some 5mm spacers will solve the issue.

Lol I was gonna run the 265/295 PSS combo. Was hoping you would be the guinea pig.

Yeah, 1st gear at autocross is wheel-hop gear, 2nd is drifting gear....

M3Guy · 10-08-2012, 07:25 PM

So will 255/35/19 rub on stock suspension or not with PSS?? I keep seeing people say yes it will and no it won't. Who actually runs this setup and do you have any issues? I was looking at going with 255/35/19 and 295/30/19

ozinaldo · 10-09-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by M3Guy

So will 255/35/19 rub on stock suspension or not with PSS?? I keep seeing people say yes it will and no it won't. Who actually runs this setup and do you have any issues? I was looking at going with 255/35/19 and 295/30/19

I have 245/35 19s (stock size) PSS on my car's front and it almost rubs, in fact probably did rub a few times already. There is literally 0 clearance with stock wheels and suspension for anything larger diameter than 245/35. Stock size PSS has 25.8 inch diameter whereas 255/35 19 has 26.0. So, there is no way that 255s won't rub, not a chance. But will probably do this only at parking place speeds at full locks. Trimming the liners a bit can solve it for you.

HP Autowerks · 10-09-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by M3Guy

So will 255/35/19 rub on stock suspension or not with PSS?? I keep seeing people say yes it will and no it won't. Who actually runs this setup and do you have any issues? I was looking at going with 255/35/19 and 295/30/19

As stated in this post, on the first page of this thread, the tires will rub.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=16

M3Guy · 10-09-2012, 02:26 PM

That whole comment is unclear anyways. It says
"(this can only happen if you lower your car too much, at stock or 1" lowering there is not enough compression travel for this to happen)" ?? Which part?
So I would assume that 255/30 would be ok though?

HP Autowerks · 10-09-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by M3Guy

That whole comment is unclear anyways. It says
"(this can only happen if you lower your car too much, at stock or 1" lowering there is not enough compression travel for this to happen)" ?? Which part?
So I would assume that 255/30 would be ok though?

Sure it would work, but the overall diameter is too small when compare to a 245/35.

ozinaldo · 10-09-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

Sure it would work, but the overall diameter is too small when compare to a 245/35.

+1. Even 265/30 is smaller in diameter. With those you won't rub yes but will add more in the already big wheel gap. Your car will look like a SUV at the front.

Ian///M · 10-09-2012, 05:54 PM

PSS 255/35 will rub on front.

Larger tires add to unsprung weight too! ... 245/35 & 275/35 are a good combo.

CarJunkie · 10-09-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian///M

PSS 255/35 will rub on front.

Larger tires add to unsprung weight too! ... 245/35 & 275/35 are a good combo.

How important is the diameter change on the rear? Does the increased O.D. stagger effect the TC and MDM accuracy? This question would apply to square setups also . . . any experience with this?

arvinz · 10-09-2012, 08:16 PM

Sorry, but is someone willing to do a google docs or just a full listing of sizes of PSS for our 1M and just say beside the sizes "Rubs" or "Not Rubs" or "Not Confirmed" or something like that. There's too many threads and it's a little confusing.

Ian///M · 10-09-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CarJunkie

How important is the diameter change on the rear? Does the increased O.D. stagger effect the TC and MDM accuracy? This question would apply to square setups also . . . any experience with this?

Not sure, seems ~26" diam is optimal without impacting gearing etc.

Doubt a move from rear 265->275 will be noticeable in traction, nor is there a diameter change. IMO the 265 looks too stretched though, hence a 275.

Weight is an issue though. Adding 295's on the rear would add 4lbs per corner!

Reminds me of this

M3Guy · 10-10-2012, 09:08 AM

My reasoning with the 295's in the back is because I'm going FBO and probably meth. 265 isn't going to work so good with that I doubt. I'm just concerned with going that big in the rear but sticking with 245s in the front.

ozinaldo · 10-10-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by M3Guy

My reasoning with the 295's in the back is because I'm going FBO and probably meth. 265 isn't going to work so good with that I doubt. I'm just concerned with going that big in the rear but sticking with 245s in the front.

Then why not try 275/30s at the front, since they are OK diameter wise, don't know if there is enough space in terms of width of the tire but since they are like a good fit for 9 inch wide wheels too (stocks are 9 inch) it is probable that there won't be an issue. 275/30 has 25.6 inch diameter vs. 25.8 stock size. Since your rears will be 295/30, this could be a good combo, at least on paper.

Here what I read from tire rack site about the PSS specs, just the essential data, for the rest go for http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....eMake=Michelin

Here you go:

Stock tires vs. what fits nearest:

245/35 19:
93 Y
23lbs. each
8-9.5 inch rim range
25.8 inch overall diameter
807 revs per mile
vs.
275/30 19:
96 Y
26lbs. each
9-10 inch rim range
25.6 inch overall diameter
814 revs per mile

265/35 19:
98 Y
25lbs. each
9-10.5 inch rim range
26.3 inch overall diameter
790 revs per mile
vs.
295/30 19:
100 Y
28lbs. each
10-11 inch rim range
26 inch overall diameter
799 revs per mile

Hope this helps.

///M1 · 10-10-2012, 11:08 AM

Speaking of Tire Rack, why don't you guys all log in a request for PSS in a 285/30/19 fitment. That is the exact fitment on the M3 GTS in Europe (which of course rides on the same wheels as our cars), and it has 255/35/19 up front.

I've talked to TR a few times, they said if enough people show interest they will forward it on to Michelin. Per TR, the 285/30/19 tire is quite popular with the Corvette guys already, and I reckon between us 1Mers and M3ers, we can hopefully put this on Michelin's radarQ

SloPoke · 02-21-2013, 03:31 PM

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HP Autowerks · 02-21-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SloPoke

Deleted. Made new thread.

Nice! We will put our request in with our sales rep. at TR.

10-09-2012, 05:54 PM	#36
Ian///M Brigadier General Drives: 1M E82 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Oz Posts: 4,515 iTrader: (0)	PSS 255/35 will rub on front. Larger tires add to unsprung weight too! ... 245/35 & 275/35 are a good combo. __________________ BMW 1M VO - Cobb, Remus muffler, MadDads midpipes, ETS 5" FMIC, ER CP, CDV, OCC, Michelin PSS

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///M1 Brigadier General Drives: Many Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 212/305 Posts: 3,077 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 BMW 1///M [0.00] 2008 Audi RS4 [0.00] 2000 BMW E39 M5 (sold) [0.00] 2008 BMW 135i (sold) [0.00]	Speaking of Tire Rack, why don't you guys all log in a request for PSS in a 285/30/19 fitment. That is the exact fitment on the M3 GTS in Europe (which of course rides on the same wheels as our cars), and it has 255/35/19 up front. I've talked to TR a few times, they said if enough people show interest they will forward it on to Michelin. Per TR, the 285/30/19 tire is quite popular with the Corvette guys already, and I reckon between us 1Mers and M3ers, we can hopefully put this on Michelin's radarQ __________________ *2011 BMW E82 1///M: AW, ZPP, ZCV, HK, Sirius, Apps; Akra CF+Valve control, MadDad mids, K&N, Forge FMIC, P3gauge, EuroTails, Tint, CF Mirrors+Spoiler+Roof Wrap, 10mm H&Rs, IND grills+gills, xCDV, LUX AE 2008 Audi B7 RS 4*: Sprint Blue, Exclusive Euro Recaro Interior, Premium+Titanium Package, EPL Tune, Stasis Ohlins MS coilovers, Milltek valved exhaust+DownPipes, Stoptech SS lines, Tint, ADR V1, Lidatek, Lamin-X, Rotiform SNA 19x10" wheels, 275/30/19 PSSs, Euro flat-bottom steering wheel, JHM SSK

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02-22-2012, 07:22 AM	#27
eeghie Kind of a Big Deal Drives: an 1M not often enough Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: between Unlimited and Hard to Get Posts: 910 iTrader: (0)	As rear grip is not a DD problem (yet). I'm thinking of running 265 square as that is easy to rotate and provides some front curb protection. any thoughts on/beyond front fitment?

10-08-2012, 07:25 PM	#30
M3Guy Private Drives: 2004 M3 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 79 iTrader: (0)	So will 255/35/19 rub on stock suspension or not with PSS?? I keep seeing people say yes it will and no it won't. Who actually runs this setup and do you have any issues? I was looking at going with 255/35/19 and 295/30/19

10-09-2012, 02:26 PM	#33
M3Guy Private Drives: 2004 M3 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 79 iTrader: (0)	That whole comment is unclear anyways. It says "(this can only happen if you lower your car too much, at stock or 1" lowering there is not enough compression travel for this to happen)" ?? Which part? So I would assume that 255/30 would be ok though?

10-09-2012, 08:16 PM	#38
arvinz Private First Class Drives: BMW 1M VO Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 131 iTrader: (0)	Sorry, but is someone willing to do a google docs or just a full listing of sizes of PSS for our 1M and just say beside the sizes "Rubs" or "Not Rubs" or "Not Confirmed" or something like that. There's too many threads and it's a little confusing.

10-10-2012, 09:08 AM	#40
M3Guy Private Drives: 2004 M3 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 79 iTrader: (0)	My reasoning with the 295's in the back is because I'm going FBO and probably meth. 265 isn't going to work so good with that I doubt. I'm just concerned with going that big in the rear but sticking with 245s in the front.