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      10-07-2012, 05:40 PM   #1
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The right winter setup for me (135i M-package)

I'm newly a 135i owner (2009) and plan to DD during the winter, mostly around the Detroit area. I have the "M sport package", currently equipped tires are new, summer only:
Front: 215/50 R18
Rear: 245/35 R18

I'm looking to understand the options a little better and put together the right setup for me, either on the stock rims or on a new winter wheel set.

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Im not an old lady behind the wheel but am not trying to push the car to its limits or compete. I'm not a naive driver but nor do I think I'm any kind of pro or out trying to prove stuff. EG I understand the difference between liftoff drift and power oversteer and know it when it happens on accident, but I'm not out trying to make these things happen on purpose.
That being said I would put my priorities as safety , which for me is predictability, good feedback, and handling, and would take these over max grip potential on dry. That criteria met, I'd look to find the sweet spot between performance, value, and looks. Lastly I think I'd rather have greater control on the unexpected icepatch or slush, even if the number of of days with multiple inches of snow tend to be low (if unpredictable) around here.

It looks like there are only a couple of winter tires options fit the OEM wheels, and with the TPMS and everything considered, this would save some money, but not that much since these tires are not cheap. So I'm leaning toward some mid-range alloy 17s, symetric all around with perhaps something like the blizzack WS70 in the studless catagory over something in the performance winter catagory.

One question is about the performance winter category (H & V rated), it seems from the tirerack description that I'd like the G rated better, but is this oversimplified? Often I know that subjective ratings (eg the rating of the performace winter tire on ice or snow) are scewed to the expectations of the user, eg the tire may not actually be any worse on ice but the driver demands more out of it.

Second is understanding the ramifications of size on grip, balance and handling. Is having the symmetric setup mess up the balance and feel of the car much?

Will the larger sidewalls yield a lot more roll? What about the tire catagory's effect on handling and feel? I know on my last car, stepping up from the bottom shelf tires to some Primacy all seasons had a huge effect on the handling.


I know I'm sortof geeking out on this stuff but I think it'll be cool to be riding around all winter knowing I got the best setup for me. =]

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      10-07-2012, 05:52 PM   #2
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I'm newly a 135i owner (2009) and plan to DD during the winter, mostly around the Detroit area. I have the "M sport package", currently equipped tires are new, summer only:
Front: 215/50 R18
Rear: 245/35 R18

I'm looking to understand the options a little better and put together the right setup for me, either on the stock rims or on a new winter wheel set.

About Me:
Im not an old lady behind the wheel but am not trying to push the car to its limits or compete. I'm not a naive driver but nor do I think I'm any kind of pro or out trying to prove stuff. EG I understand the difference between liftoff drift and power oversteer and know it when it happens on accident, but I'm not out trying to make these things happen on purpose.
That being said I would put my priorities as safety , which for me is predictability, good feedback, and handling, and would take these over max grip potential on dry. That criteria met, I'd look to find the sweet spot between performance, value, and looks. Lastly I think I'd rather have greater control on the unexpected icepatch or slush, even if the number of of days with multiple inches of snow tend to be low (if unpredictable) around here.

It looks like there are only a couple of winter tires options fit the OEM wheels, and with the TPMS and everything considered, this would save some money, but not that much since these tires are not cheap. So I'm leaning toward some mid-range alloy 17s, symetric all around with perhaps something like the blizzack WS70 in the studless catagory over something in the performance winter catagory.

One question is about the performance winter category (H & V rated), it seems from the tirerack description that I'd like the G rated better, but is this oversimplified? Often I know that subjective ratings (eg the rating of the performace winter tire on ice or snow) are scewed to the expectations of the user, eg the tire may not actually be any worse on ice but the driver demands more out of it.

Second is understanding the ramifications of size on grip, balance and handling. Is having the symmetric setup mess up the balance and feel of the car much?

Will the larger sidewalls yield a lot more roll? What about the tire catagory's effect on handling and feel? I know on my last car, stepping up from the bottom shelf tires to some Primacy all seasons had a huge effect on the handling.


I know I'm sortof geeking out on this stuff but I think it'll be cool to be riding around all winter knowing I got the best setup for me. =]

Thanks.
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      10-07-2012, 06:04 PM   #3
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Best winter setup is a set of 17 inch wheels and tires. This is what BMW recommends.

205/50HR17's on 7j x17 alloys. and don't forget the proper TPMS.

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      10-07-2012, 06:25 PM   #4
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Whats the subjective difference really as far as confidence on snow/ice between a 7.9 and a 9.0 survey rating ( alpin pa3 vs blizzak ws70 )
Is it basically no difference or a whole different game?
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      10-08-2012, 05:29 PM   #5
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      10-11-2012, 01:24 PM   #6
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Would the ultralegga 17's be strong enough for michigan winter (lots of potholes) or am I better off with a heavier, less expensive wheel ala the gravity cast ones, TRS etc?
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      10-11-2012, 01:32 PM   #7
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Whats the subjective difference really as far as confidence on snow/ice between a 7.9 and a 9.0 survey rating ( alpin pa3 vs blizzak ws70 )
Is it basically no difference or a whole different game?
Two different types of winter tires. The Alpin PA3 is a performance winter tire, the Blizzak is a true snow/ice winter tire.

The Alpin will last longer, and probably give a quieter ride. The Blizzak will be better in extreme winter conditions. If you live where it snows a lot, or you are going into the mountains a lot, I would go with the Blizzaks. If you only really need the winter tire for occasional winter conditions, the Alpin may be your better choice.

Not sure if both of those come in RFT form?
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      10-11-2012, 01:47 PM   #8
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Not many seem to come in runflat, especially in the studless catagory.

With the tires yea I sounds like for me it'd come to which I'd prefer to have better tires for the 80% of the driving on cold, dry roads or optimized for that 20% crappy conditions and occasional unexpected ice patch.
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Coder, give me a call when you have free time. I can talk you through all the options.
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I purchased 17in motegi wheels with non-runflat Blizzak ws-60s through tire rack and they work great. I wouldnt go spending a ton (at least double to triple the price) on a bmw package.
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      10-12-2012, 12:46 PM   #11
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CDN do you have pics of the motegi?
I also have a black one three five and was looking at the black motegi that are on TR now

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I purchased 17in motegi wheels with non-runflat Blizzak ws-60s through tire rack and they work great. I wouldnt go spending a ton (at least double to triple the price) on a bmw package.
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Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D w/ cheap set of 17" rims Elbrus I06 and no TPMS is what i rock in winter and have NOOO issues
Totaly agree same setup. R17 225/45
And I think oem setup 205 tires for more than 300 HP is ridiculous.

Dunlop 3d is best winter tires I ever tried it's good for snow ice and wet road. Read reviews
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      10-12-2012, 12:57 PM   #13
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me, a quick google image search turns up some pics

this is 18s
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5205/...34715186_z.jpg

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CDN do you have pics of the motegi?
I also have a black one three five and was looking at the black motegi that are on TR now
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Ended up with the black motegis 17x8 and dunlup m3. should be fun.
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Ended up with the black motegis 17x8 and dunlup m3. should be fun.
Sound good. I have had the Dunlops before and liked them.
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I went to Tire Rack and ordered winter tires, wheels and TPMS Mounted and balanced. I have the 18 staggered wheel/tires on my 135i for summer but I got 17 wheels and 225/45/17 tires all around for winter. The winter tires ware really quickly on dry pavement so you can rotate them. It sounds like I am a little more aggressive driver than you and I think the winter setup is fine. I have a couple floor jacks and air compressor and change back to summer if no snow is forecast for a week. I can change all four wheels in 20 minutes.
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me, a quick google image search turns up some pics

this is 18s
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5205/...34715186_z.jpg
I have 17s but ya those are the same as mine, they look nice, especially for a winter setup.
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me, a quick google image search turns up some pics

this is 18s
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5205/...34715186_z.jpg
That is my car and they are 17s .

They are so pretty, I get a lot of compliments on them, looks better than oem imho. I probably will put them on this week...

damn it's already that time of the year .

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I picked up some E46 M-Sport wheels with 225\45\17 winter tires on them. This setup feels great in the dry so far hopefully it will do well in the snow as well!

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+1 for Dunlop WinterSport 3D. An excellent tire for the 95% of the time that it's merely cold or icy. Good in the snow but a Blizzak will be better in deep snow. However the Blizzak exacts a large penalty in driving enjoyment. The soft compound gives you vague, sloppy steering feel.
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I am running Dunlop Wintersport 3D on 18" OEM 264's Powdercoated Black. I have an extra set of 18" wheels for winter use.... PM me if you want them.
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