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RimasRS · 10-29-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by M130ISWP

I've had the pedal in for 10 days now. It still has the flat spot but not as bad as what it was.

I've checked with ART today, they said that the new pedal module needs to be programmed into the system. I thought it was just a "plug n play"

Below are the dyno graphs that were done this year. The decat and K&N filter mods were in all 3 graphs.
The flat spot only kicked in on the 3rd graph. Luckily it didnt kick in, in the first 2 graphs. The first 2 were done on the same day.

This pic was with the BMS Power Box map:

This one is with OEM map, notice the increase of power:

This one is 6 weeks later with other software:

I think you can try to reset adaptions of the throttle somewhere was DYI how to do that maybe that will help

Three_thirty_I · 11-01-2012, 06:22 PM

Hmm, would also have thought that it would simply be a plug and play solution. Interestingly that third graph is very similar to what (or where) I am experiencing with my 330i in terms of the intermittent performance dip - 3000 rpm to around 4500 rpm...

M130ISWP · 11-19-2012, 02:12 AM

Just an update. The car is back at BMW today.

I did another mod 2 weeks ago. Took out the middle silencer box. Its got a nice growl to it at 1900rpm to 2300rpm

Three_thirty_I · 12-11-2012, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by M130ISWP

Just an update. The car is back at BMW today.

I did another mod 2 weeks ago. Took out the middle silencer box. Its got a nice growl to it at 1900rpm to 2300rpm

What happened with the throttle pedal module and ART? They have been letting me down massively by never returning my calls and ended up replacing the DISA flaps myself but still have the problems.

What did BMW find on this last visit?

M130ISWP · 12-11-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Three_thirty_I

What happened with the throttle pedal module and ART? They have been letting me down massively by never returning my calls and ended up replacing the DISA flaps myself but still have the problems.

What did BMW find on this last visit?

The pedal was a waste of money. It wasn't the cause of the flat spot. BMW won't refund me.

They've also let me down. Left a few messages and they never return calls.

The last visit at BMW was that their system only detected the Cats missing, no other errors. They said I must put the Cats back in.

I've still got the flat spot. And an aircon problem now.
The aircon is on and off. It has gas. I don't think its related to the flat spot, it started a few weeks ago.

The exhaust place said it might be the fuel pump causing the flat spot.

I've given up on what's causing it

Dackelone · 12-11-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by M130ISWP

The exhaust place said it might be the fuel pump causing the flat spot.

That is actually a good idea. It could be the fuel pump. It could be mechanical issue with the pump, or even a voltage fluctuation issue at the pump. Or a ground issue at the pump.

Do you have access to an OBD-II code reader. Maybe you could read the fuel pressure while on the fly. Or install a mechanical fuel pressure gauge(temporarily) and drive WOT and see what it read at your flat spot. You will probably need a helper.

M130ISWP · 12-12-2012, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dackelone

That is actually a good idea. It could be the fuel pump. It could be mechanical issue with the pump, or even a voltage fluctuation issue at the pump. Or a ground issue at the pump.

Do you have access to an OBD-II code reader. Maybe you could read the fuel pressure while on the fly. Or install a mechanical fuel pressure gauge(temporarily) and drive WOT and see what it read at your flat spot. You will probably need a helper.

I've got a Bluetooth and a wifi obdii dongle.
I've used a friends Samsung with Torque, months ago, to find any problems. The error that we noticed while driving, was the boost gauge, but this engine isn't turbo'ed.

I've tried all the 'trial' apps on my iPhone. Most of them can't detect the obc.

I also used a friends 'BavarianTechnic' cable with the app. Ran all the 'fault find' tests, found no faults.

I need to get a normal USB cable obdii reader to try INPA

Three_thirty_I · 12-12-2012, 06:48 AM

Same thing with the DISA flaps for me (R5k gamble)...

I think in both in your and my case we need to have the fuel pump pressure tested and in my case have the injectors tested too to ensure that their individual spray patterns are up to spec. These cars don't have replaceable fuel filters (which is so stupid), so there is a big chance that they could be slightly dirty or blocked. It could even just be that the pump is weaker than it should be or that the regulator is not working properly.

Now just need to find a place that can test these things without immediately wanting to rip a person off. ART won't see me again - over 2 weeks later after leaving a very polite message to PLEASE call me back, and still nothing!

M130ISWP · 12-12-2012, 01:08 PM

Yeah, we need to get our pumps/injectors pressure tested. Just don't know where.

I went to another place today, for a diagnostics test. Their diagnostics only had the Cats error. The guy said the VBT sensor (never heard of it) might be the cause of the flat spot. He said I must take it to a place that has the AutoLogic machine to reset it.

The car is going to BMW next week Tuesday to get the aircon sorted out. They reckon its the resistor that's faulty. They gonna do another diagnostics to see if it is the resistor.

BMW also gave me the report printout this morning for the previous diagnostics that they did the other day. The report explained in full detail about the Cats missing etc.

Three_thirty_I · 12-12-2012, 03:24 PM

My neighbour is a rep for Goch and Cooper and had a chat with him the other day, he is convinced that they can do this and also diagnostics on a dyno for live readings if necessary so pretty keen to speak to them and find out more.

Zayd (NavZ) and myself are going through to Nick in Paarl to do the CDV delete and while we are busy I am going to take a poke around underneath to see if I can see anything loose that could be causing the rattling noise that I have been battling with.

I also want to try an octane booster to see if this does anything, maybe it is pinging after all?! Another thing I want to do is let SMG do a software update (Mike says that their prices for a software update it pretty good)...

M130ISWP · 12-12-2012, 03:33 PM

I know both owners at G&C. Mr Cooper left, it's just Deon now.

Maybe they can do the pressure tests?

If you book your car in for Tuesday at SMG, I will see you there

Three_thirty_I · 12-12-2012, 05:44 PM

Well, I first want to speak to one of their techs to see if they can run the tests that I want done, no point forking out more money just to have a computer plugged in that is likely to not find anything wrong in my car's case. Doubt that my car will be at SMG as soon as that, but will see.

mikesonfirst · 01-31-2013, 06:22 AM

Guys, did you get any further with this? I have a 125i and have the same issue.

M130ISWP · 01-31-2013, 06:43 AM

No, got no where. The 1 BMW dealership (SMG) still insist that its caused by the catalytic converters missing. I know its something else causing it.
My aircon is also still faulty.

Three_thirty_I still has his Cats in.... He went to another BMW dealership yesterday, they said his flat spot could be ecu software related.
Mine isn't software related, I've tried aftermarket. Got latest (about Oct) oem software installed.

mikesonfirst · 01-31-2013, 06:53 AM

I haven't had mine checked by a technician yet but I've just put an Evolve tune in it and the flat spot is still there (if anything more noticeable now due to more power). Will let you know if I find a solution.

M130ISWP · 01-31-2013, 07:02 AM

The aftermarket software and piggyback made it worse. So went back to OEM software.

Yeah, please let us know

TheSt|G · 02-01-2013, 12:25 AM

When you say decatted, what did you replace them with?

andrey_gta · 02-01-2013, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesonfirst

I haven't had mine checked by a technician yet but I've just put an Evolve tune in it and the flat spot is still there (if anything more noticeable now due to more power). Will let you know if I find a solution.

the n52 has a little flat spot, even if tuned, its not really gone.
look up 130i dyno's

AA tune may have masqued the spot better,i have yet to see a converted RWD dyno

M130ISWP · 02-01-2013, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSt|G

When you say decatted, what did you replace them with?

Didn't replace them, just took them out

M130ISWP · 02-01-2013, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by andrey_gta

the n52 has a little flat spot, even if tuned, its not really gone.
look up 130i dyno's

AA tune may have masqued the spot better,i have yet to see a converted RWD dyno

Mine never had the flat spot until recently

TheSt|G · 02-01-2013, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by M130ISWP

Didn't replace them, just took them out

You mean you took out the factory headers and drilled out the cats from the inside and then replaced them?

M130ISWP · 02-01-2013, 09:30 AM

A BMW technician did it for me.

Yeah, drilled them out but didnt replace them.

11-01-2012, 06:22 PM	#24
Three_thirty_I Lieutenant Drives: '05 E90 330i Manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 454 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2005 BMW E90 330i [0.00]	Hmm, would also have thought that it would simply be a plug and play solution. Interestingly that third graph is very similar to what (or where) I am experiencing with my 330i in terms of the intermittent performance dip - 3000 rpm to around 4500 rpm... __________________ BMW E90 330i (M) '05 (His) \| (Hers) BMW E46 320i f/l (M) '03

11-19-2012, 02:12 AM	#25
M130ISWP BMWFanatics.co.za Drives: 130i with M Sport Pack Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cape Town Posts: 43 iTrader: (0)	Just an update. The car is back at BMW today. I did another mod 2 weeks ago. Took out the middle silencer box. Its got a nice growl to it at 1900rpm to 2300rpm __________________ 130i M Sport Used to be white. After accident did colour change to Monte Carlo blue

12-12-2012, 06:48 AM	#30
Three_thirty_I Lieutenant Drives: '05 E90 330i Manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 454 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2005 BMW E90 330i [0.00]	Same thing with the DISA flaps for me (R5k gamble)... I think in both in your and my case we need to have the fuel pump pressure tested and in my case have the injectors tested too to ensure that their individual spray patterns are up to spec. These cars don't have replaceable fuel filters (which is so stupid), so there is a big chance that they could be slightly dirty or blocked. It could even just be that the pump is weaker than it should be or that the regulator is not working properly. Now just need to find a place that can test these things without immediately wanting to rip a person off. ART won't see me again - over 2 weeks later after leaving a very polite message to PLEASE call me back, and still nothing! __________________ BMW E90 330i (M) '05 (His) \| (Hers) BMW E46 320i f/l (M) '03

12-12-2012, 01:08 PM	#31
M130ISWP BMWFanatics.co.za Drives: 130i with M Sport Pack Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cape Town Posts: 43 iTrader: (0)	Yeah, we need to get our pumps/injectors pressure tested. Just don't know where. I went to another place today, for a diagnostics test. Their diagnostics only had the Cats error. The guy said the VBT sensor (never heard of it) might be the cause of the flat spot. He said I must take it to a place that has the AutoLogic machine to reset it. The car is going to BMW next week Tuesday to get the aircon sorted out. They reckon its the resistor that's faulty. They gonna do another diagnostics to see if it is the resistor. BMW also gave me the report printout this morning for the previous diagnostics that they did the other day. The report explained in full detail about the Cats missing etc. __________________ 130i M Sport Used to be white. After accident did colour change to Monte Carlo blue

12-12-2012, 03:24 PM	#32
Three_thirty_I Lieutenant Drives: '05 E90 330i Manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 454 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2005 BMW E90 330i [0.00]	My neighbour is a rep for Goch and Cooper and had a chat with him the other day, he is convinced that they can do this and also diagnostics on a dyno for live readings if necessary so pretty keen to speak to them and find out more. Zayd (NavZ) and myself are going through to Nick in Paarl to do the CDV delete and while we are busy I am going to take a poke around underneath to see if I can see anything loose that could be causing the rattling noise that I have been battling with. I also want to try an octane booster to see if this does anything, maybe it is pinging after all?! Another thing I want to do is let SMG do a software update (Mike says that their prices for a software update it pretty good)... __________________ BMW E90 330i (M) '05 (His) \| (Hers) BMW E46 320i f/l (M) '03

12-12-2012, 03:33 PM	#33
M130ISWP BMWFanatics.co.za Drives: 130i with M Sport Pack Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cape Town Posts: 43 iTrader: (0)	I know both owners at G&C. Mr Cooper left, it's just Deon now. Maybe they can do the pressure tests? If you book your car in for Tuesday at SMG, I will see you there __________________ 130i M Sport Used to be white. After accident did colour change to Monte Carlo blue

12-12-2012, 05:44 PM	#34
Three_thirty_I Lieutenant Drives: '05 E90 330i Manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 454 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2005 BMW E90 330i [0.00]	Well, I first want to speak to one of their techs to see if they can run the tests that I want done, no point forking out more money just to have a computer plugged in that is likely to not find anything wrong in my car's case. Doubt that my car will be at SMG as soon as that, but will see. __________________ BMW E90 330i (M) '05 (His) \| (Hers) BMW E46 320i f/l (M) '03

01-31-2013, 06:22 AM	#35
mikesonfirst New Member Drives: BMW 125i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 13 iTrader: (0)	Guys, did you get any further with this? I have a 125i and have the same issue.

01-31-2013, 06:43 AM	#36
M130ISWP BMWFanatics.co.za Drives: 130i with M Sport Pack Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cape Town Posts: 43 iTrader: (0)	No, got no where. The 1 BMW dealership (SMG) still insist that its caused by the catalytic converters missing. I know its something else causing it. My aircon is also still faulty. Three_thirty_I still has his Cats in.... He went to another BMW dealership yesterday, they said his flat spot could be ecu software related. Mine isn't software related, I've tried aftermarket. Got latest (about Oct) oem software installed. __________________ 130i M Sport Used to be white. After accident did colour change to Monte Carlo blue

01-31-2013, 06:53 AM	#37
mikesonfirst New Member Drives: BMW 125i Coupe Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 13 iTrader: (0)	I haven't had mine checked by a technician yet but I've just put an Evolve tune in it and the flat spot is still there (if anything more noticeable now due to more power). Will let you know if I find a solution.

01-31-2013, 07:02 AM	#38
M130ISWP BMWFanatics.co.za Drives: 130i with M Sport Pack Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cape Town Posts: 43 iTrader: (0)	The aftermarket software and piggyback made it worse. So went back to OEM software. Yeah, please let us know __________________ 130i M Sport Used to be white. After accident did colour change to Monte Carlo blue

02-01-2013, 12:25 AM	#39
TheSt\|G Resident Tamed Racing Driver Drives: 130is 6MT, E39 M5, E36 M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Outside Philly Posts: 876 iTrader: (2)	When you say decatted, what did you replace them with? __________________ 2010 130is Alpine White 6MT / M-Sport / SuperSprint Headers and Swain Tech Race Coating / 330i Intake Manifold / EVOLVE Software / BMW v1 Performance Wheel / BBS RGRs with PSS / BMW CF Spoiler / Blackline LCI Tail Lights / Rear Fogs Enabled / Front Fogs Delete / CDV Delete / BMW Black Kidneys / Hardwire V1 / Hardwire Trapster+Nav Dock / Golf Tee

02-01-2013, 09:30 AM	#44
M130ISWP BMWFanatics.co.za Drives: 130i with M Sport Pack Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cape Town Posts: 43 iTrader: (0)	A BMW technician did it for me. Yeah, drilled them out but didnt replace them. __________________ 130i M Sport Used to be white. After accident did colour change to Monte Carlo blue

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