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Moocow · 01-03-2013, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pavo335

Does she actually know?

Yep. I told her straight away.

If was as simple as catching a bus and it only affected me, then that's what i'd do - but its not. As stated I am concerned not for myself.

pavo335 · 01-03-2013, 05:21 AM

You know what, I hope you learn your lesson and best of luck. Although I do think you need to lose your license to do that.

walbjj · 01-03-2013, 07:55 AM

whilst i do see pavo's view, speeding recklessly is the worst thing, i can also see that moocow is trying to find the best solution to his shitty situation.
as mentioned, legal advice is ur number one option, but its still no guarantee, u might be thousands out of pocket and still lose ur licence.
one option that u might not have thought of is hiring a nanny. i have a mate that has a fulltime nanny that picks up and drops off the kids. she uses their car to do the errands. she costs about $200 a day. cheap when u consider childminding costs. she is a university masters student or something.
anyway, thats just a suggestion, it would be short term, just for the term of ur suspension, so if u do the maths, it might actually be cheaper to do it that way, than to try and get legal advice.
another option is if the licence hasnt been cancelled already, make the trip across the border and get a nsw licence. a mate has done this a few times and BOOM, hey presto, full nsw licence. as long as they havent sent the final cancellation. and as we know, there is always a huge lag with regards to fines and penalties being priocessed.
i think the only sticking point is u need a current address in nsw. so open a bank account or something, get a mate to couch for u, whatever it takes to get that documentation.
thats my advice

Ninjaoz · 01-03-2013, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by walbjj

another option is if the licence hasnt been cancelled already, make the trip across the border and get a nsw licence. a mate has done this a few times and BOOM, hey presto, full nsw licence. as long as they havent sent the final cancellation. and as we know, there is always a huge lag with regards to fines and penalties being priocessed.
i think the only sticking point is u need a current address in nsw. so open a bank account or something, get a mate to couch for u, whatever it takes to get that documentation.
thats my advice

walbjj · 01-03-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninjaoz

are u laughing as u think its a devilishly good idea, or r u laughing at the hairbrain suggestion.
i know a handful of people that have done this over the past few years, and one has done it the past year for the second time. lost it in WA, came to sydney, lost it in sydney, went back to WA.

they say that the systems r linked, but i think the processing lag is what gets them. u may lose the licence, but the time it takes to get the notice in the mail, u could be long gone

Liub · 01-03-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by walbjj

whilst i do see pavo's view, speeding recklessly is the worst thing, i can also see that moocow is trying to find the best solution to his shitty situation.
as mentioned, legal advice is ur number one option, but its still no guarantee, u might be thousands out of pocket and still lose ur licence.
one option that u might not have thought of is hiring a nanny. i have a mate that has a fulltime nanny that picks up and drops off the kids. she uses their car to do the errands. she costs about $200 a day. cheap when u consider childminding costs. she is a university masters student or something.
anyway, thats just a suggestion, it would be short term, just for the term of ur suspension, so if u do the maths, it might actually be cheaper to do it that way, than to try and get legal advice.
another option is if the licence hasnt been cancelled already, make the trip across the border and get a nsw licence. a mate has done this a few times and BOOM, hey presto, full nsw licence. as long as they havent sent the final cancellation. and as we know, there is always a huge lag with regards to fines and penalties being priocessed.
i think the only sticking point is u need a current address in nsw. so open a bank account or something, get a mate to couch for u, whatever it takes to get that documentation.
thats my advice

To be honest, that's brilliant.

MrBlonde · 01-03-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Liub

To be honest, that's brilliant.

Yes indeed, fraud added to a licence suspension sounds good.

Knightelf · 01-03-2013, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by walbjj

they say that the systems r linked, but i think the processing lag is what gets them. u may lose the licence, but the time it takes to get the notice in the mail, u could be long gone

Yes it might "work" but I would advise against this; the legislation covers interstate licences, so technically speaking he would still be driving without a licence which, if caught, could possibly result in jail time (and the judge would no doubt be more harsh on an elaborate scheme to get around the suspension). Getting a nanny was a good idea though.

Ian///M · 01-03-2013, 05:15 PM

A few years ago a mate of mine had 1 point left on NSW licence. He moved to NT for 6 weeks and got a new licence up there, canceled his NSW one, then renewed NSW after a year. Doubt that this loophole still exists.

If you have an accident your insurers will probably find out and I'm sure you can work out those consequences.

Similar loophole used to be for VIC fines. I got a fine for 2 km/h over in VIC, overpaid the fine by $1, so they send a cheque refund which I never cashed. The points never came off my license. Believe that this method doesn't work either these days.

TS135i · 01-03-2013, 06:29 PM

Got to laugh at all the past loopholes.

Knightelf · 01-03-2013, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TS135i

Got to laugh at all the past loopholes.

I wouldn't say past, they're still pretty slack. A mate of mine (who is an idiot for not learning his lesson) with an overseas licence has been to court for drink driving 3 times all of them as a "first offence" because they didn't keep proper records. Or at least they could not ID him for whatever reason.

walbjj · 01-03-2013, 07:12 PM

Yes, I have staff that are international uni students, some with overseas drivers licenses. They r supposed to swap the intl ones to local licenses within 6 mths. A few have been pulled over and they just say they recently came over or just went home for a brief stay. Any fines r just financial as there r no points to lose

1_dez · 01-03-2013, 07:17 PM

Personal experience for your consideration. When I lawyered up for my very very very low range DUI (<0.03), the story which was put forward to the judge portrayed me as a gem.... I was given a 4 month suspension instead of a normal 2-3. The judge in my case, I believe, thought I may have been trying to weasel my way out of the suspension. Fail. Clearly backfired for me.

BMJ · 01-03-2013, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pavo335

So if it was your wife an kids coming the other way and the OP hit them you'd still have the same view

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I don't give a shit what the op says and why should I. He openly admitted he was doing 40 over the limit and is crying he got caught.

If you condone his actions then your a fool as well.

You miss Rossi don't you Pav!

Zuzu · 01-03-2013, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BMJ

You miss Rossi don't you Pav!

walbjj · 01-04-2013, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 1_dez

Personal experience for your consideration. When I lawyered up for my very very very low range DUI (<0.03), the story which was put forward to the judge portrayed me as a gem.... I was given a 4 month suspension instead of a normal 2-3. The judge in my case, I believe, thought I may have been trying to weasel my way out of the suspension. Fail. Clearly backfired for me.

Jesus, remind me to not use ur legal representation. Can I ask how much that futile exercise cost u as well as the extra month.

Smiley1175 · 01-04-2013, 02:31 AM

Saw this today and thought of this thread!

pavo335 · 01-04-2013, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Smiley1175

Saw this today and thought of this thread!

: that's great although there is no need for violence

Knightelf · 01-04-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 1_dez

Personal experience for your consideration. When I lawyered up for my very very very low range DUI (<0.03), the story which was put forward to the judge portrayed me as a gem.... I was given a 4 month suspension instead of a normal 2-3. The judge in my case, I believe, thought I may have been trying to weasel my way out of the suspension. Fail. Clearly backfired for me.

For low level first time driving offences (eg. DUI under high limit in QLD) there's no point getting a lawyer if you intend to plead guilty. Either way it won't lower the penalties. I used to appear for clients doing stuff like this, easy $2k (for the firm anyway) for a 10 minute appearance.

1_dez · 01-04-2013, 10:01 PM

The point I was making is lawyering up can go either way.

walbjj · 01-04-2013, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Knightelf

For low level first time driving offences (eg. DUI under high limit in QLD) there's no point getting a lawyer if you intend to plead guilty. Either way it won't lower the penalties. I used to appear for clients doing stuff like this, easy $2k (for the firm anyway) for a 10 minute appearance.

As someone with hopefully a moral conscience, did u ever dissuade the poor sods from going ahead? Or did u gleefully take their money and apologize after the verdict

01-03-2013, 05:15 PM	#53
Ian///M Brigadier General Drives: 1M E82 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Oz Posts: 4,517 iTrader: (0)	A few years ago a mate of mine had 1 point left on NSW licence. He moved to NT for 6 weeks and got a new licence up there, canceled his NSW one, then renewed NSW after a year. Doubt that this loophole still exists. If you have an accident your insurers will probably find out and I'm sure you can work out those consequences. Similar loophole used to be for VIC fines. I got a fine for 2 km/h over in VIC, overpaid the fine by $1, so they send a cheque refund which I never cashed. The points never came off my license. Believe that this method doesn't work either these days. __________________ BMW 1M VO - Cobb, Remus muffler, MadDads midpipes, ETS 5" FMIC, ER CP, CDV, OCC, Michelin PSS

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01-03-2013, 05:21 AM	#46
pavo335 Banned Drives: 3.5 wheeler Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: sydney Posts: 2,993 iTrader: (0)	You know what, I hope you learn your lesson and best of luck. Although I do think you need to lose your license to do that.

01-03-2013, 07:55 AM	#47
walbjj Private First Class Drives: s2000 Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 122 iTrader: (0)	whilst i do see pavo's view, speeding recklessly is the worst thing, i can also see that moocow is trying to find the best solution to his shitty situation. as mentioned, legal advice is ur number one option, but its still no guarantee, u might be thousands out of pocket and still lose ur licence. one option that u might not have thought of is hiring a nanny. i have a mate that has a fulltime nanny that picks up and drops off the kids. she uses their car to do the errands. she costs about $200 a day. cheap when u consider childminding costs. she is a university masters student or something. anyway, thats just a suggestion, it would be short term, just for the term of ur suspension, so if u do the maths, it might actually be cheaper to do it that way, than to try and get legal advice. another option is if the licence hasnt been cancelled already, make the trip across the border and get a nsw licence. a mate has done this a few times and BOOM, hey presto, full nsw licence. as long as they havent sent the final cancellation. and as we know, there is always a huge lag with regards to fines and penalties being priocessed. i think the only sticking point is u need a current address in nsw. so open a bank account or something, get a mate to couch for u, whatever it takes to get that documentation. thats my advice

01-03-2013, 07:12 PM	#56
walbjj Private First Class Drives: s2000 Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 122 iTrader: (0)	Yes, I have staff that are international uni students, some with overseas drivers licenses. They r supposed to swap the intl ones to local licenses within 6 mths. A few have been pulled over and they just say they recently came over or just went home for a brief stay. Any fines r just financial as there r no points to lose

01-03-2013, 07:17 PM	#57
1_dez Private Drives: 1er Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Canberra Posts: 71 iTrader: (0)	Personal experience for your consideration. When I lawyered up for my very very very low range DUI (<0.03), the story which was put forward to the judge portrayed me as a gem.... I was given a 4 month suspension instead of a normal 2-3. The judge in my case, I believe, thought I may have been trying to weasel my way out of the suspension. Fail. Clearly backfired for me.

01-04-2013, 02:31 AM	#61
Smiley1175 Lieutenant Drives: 1M Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Melbourne Posts: 502 iTrader: (0)	Saw this today and thought of this thread!

01-04-2013, 10:01 PM	#64
1_dez Private Drives: 1er Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Canberra Posts: 71 iTrader: (0)	The point I was making is lawyering up can go either way.