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      01-17-2013, 02:45 PM   #23
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My recollection was the car was Alpine White. Either way, since I know they've installed these parts in the past, it might be a PPK and/or PE that's the wild card here.

As someone else mentioned, if you can find a 135is to test drive, it might confirm a few things for you if your reactions to it prove similar to your first encounter.
Yup that's my current plan as well for this weekend. Try 135i and 135is back to back.
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      01-18-2013, 05:07 PM   #24
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Funny, your experience reminds me the opposite of the one I had with a 2005 120d (for the records I was living in Belgium then). I had the 120d on my shopping list as a company car and really did not like it during the test drive, I was finding it gutless and hated the shifter. One of my colleague bought one at that time and I had many chances to drive it and always found it awesome, really far from my test drive experience. I think it depends a lot on the mileage, I found that my 128i did change very quickly with the miles, it sorts of unleashes itself. Maybe you would like to test another one or take your chance, I don't think you would be disappointed.
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      01-18-2013, 07:16 PM   #25
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Yup that's my current plan as well for this weekend. Try 135i and 135is back to back.
Sweet. Be sure to share your thoughts. I'd be curious to see how much of a difference you notice.
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      01-19-2013, 01:54 AM   #26
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the is should feel slightly quicker
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      01-19-2013, 02:06 AM   #27
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Yup that's my current plan as well for this weekend. Try 135i and 135is back to back.
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      01-20-2013, 01:10 AM   #28
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Done it. Drove a 135i DCT and a 135is manual.

Verdict: Pretty much the same.

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  • DCT car was basically exactly the same as the other one I drove on Tuesday. That's all I can say about the DCT car.
  • Manual 135is was slightly better. Having a stick and a 3rd pedal meant I was able to control the car's power band with a lot more precision, thus making the lag a bit better.
  • Once again, I genuinely believe the suspension is different. It's more complaint and yet less floaty than I remember.
  • Sadly throttle response was still not as sharp as I remember it to be.
  • Perf exhaust was definitely louder than standard, but still sounded subdued throughout the drive.

Somebody mentioned software update earlier in the thread, so I found this: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=638072. It seems to describe exactly what I'm driving at, even though the consensus of the thread was that the PPK would solve the issue. The 135is has the PPK, but I don't feel like it "solves" the "problem". I put problem in quotes because this is obviously an artificial problem - it all comes down to engine programming.

Nonetheless, still frustrated - I feel as if BMW has "neutered" an otherwise hidden gem of a performance coupe and am kicking myself for not having picked one up a year and half ago. Next step: try to find a '11 without the SW update and drive it to confirm that I'm not absolutely bonkers.
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      01-20-2013, 10:31 AM   #29
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I don't know. I have a hard time believing BMW neutered a car and you're the only one to notice.

In any event, I don't find the 135is ride on the runflats compliant at all (to the point where I'd like to get rid of them), and I don't find the PE subdued at all either. Maybe my tastes are a little different, which is really what I think is being discussed in this thread.
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      01-20-2013, 11:28 AM   #30
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Perhaps the car(s) you drove were not warmed up? If you just drove them several blocks (typical test drive), they may not have been at operating temps, and the cold limiters might have prevented full operation?
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      01-20-2013, 11:58 AM   #31
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Somebody mentioned software update earlier in the thread, so I found this: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=638072. It seems to describe exactly what I'm driving at, even though the consensus of the thread was that the PPK would solve the issue. The 135is has the PPK, but I don't feel like it "solves" the "problem". I put problem in quotes because this is obviously an artificial problem - it all comes down to engine programming.

Nonetheless, still frustrated - I feel as if BMW has "neutered" an otherwise hidden gem of a performance coupe and am kicking myself for not having picked one up a year and half ago. Next step: try to find a '11 without the SW update and drive it to confirm that I'm not absolutely bonkers.
I have 2009 N54 with PPK V2 and for 3 years have successfully avoided the software update. If you can live without the DCT, look for a low mileage 2010 with 6 speed MT and make the necessary modifications. Consider PPK tune for no warranty impact, M3 front end bits and sway bar, performance springs, koni dampers and exhaust if you need louder. Add an extended warranty and I bet you still will be spending $5 to 8K less than a new car. You could do the same with a low mileage 2011 N55.
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I don't know. I have a hard time believing BMW neutered a car and you're the only one to notice.

In any event, I don't find the 135is ride on the runflats compliant at all (to the point where I'd like to get rid of them), and I don't find the PE subdued at all either. Maybe my tastes are a little different, which is really what I think is being discussed in this thread.
Believe it mate, BMW fucked my car harder than a Dutch hooker on a 48hr shift

I have subsequently found out from a source in BMW Munich, that the "neutering" is to preserve the transmission & reduce warranty claims.

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      01-24-2013, 09:05 PM   #33
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I don't know. I have a hard time believing BMW neutered a car and you're the only one to notice.

In any event, I don't find the 135is ride on the runflats compliant at all (to the point where I'd like to get rid of them), and I don't find the PE subdued at all either. Maybe my tastes are a little different, which is really what I think is being discussed in this thread.
Believe it mate, BMW fucked my car harder than a Dutch hooker on a 48hr shift

I have subsequently found out from a source in BMW Munich, that the "neutering" is to preserve the transmission & reduce warranty claims.

N54 all the way now
Guess ill have to drive one to find out.
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      01-24-2013, 09:38 PM   #34
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We used to talk about this all the time in the 3 series forum, but I think the car adapts to your driving. There are ways of resetting the adaption.

I do know that after track days my car was quicker on the throttle and the shift points had changed. After a few days of commuting it seemed to go back to dull mode.
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      01-25-2013, 04:32 PM   #35
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I used to have my adaptations reset in my E46 after major service. It always felt more responsive after, but could have been placebo.
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      02-02-2013, 10:14 AM   #36
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See if you can test drive one with a Dinan 2 tune. My uncle got it done on his '12 135i DCT and holy sh*t. That car is even more bonkers.
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