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      01-26-2013, 12:21 PM   #23
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That's with either launch control or high rpm starts. No one drives that way in real world conditions.

With 2 smaller turbos the 1M would get off the line faster at the lights.
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      01-26-2013, 01:44 PM   #24
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That's not at all what I am saying.

If you lack the skill to properly launch a manual gearbox in a high torque car such as the 1M, you shouldn't be drag racing against an automatic as in the M135, where the driver only has to put his foot down.
I see your point, but drag racing is fun to some, and everyone starts somewhere.

How else would you learn / improve?

1m ftw. Tuned with better fmic this car is a monster, and already goads me into accelerating way too fast on the street lol
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      01-26-2013, 01:45 PM   #25
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It would be interesting to see what kind of lap times these two cars would turn.

http://http://www.1addicts.com/forum...d.php?t=789057



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      01-26-2013, 02:54 PM   #26
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Fair enough. Anyway, Top Gear is all fun and games.
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Be interesting to see the M3 in that drag too
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      01-26-2013, 11:52 PM   #29
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      01-27-2013, 12:43 AM   #30
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I'd still take a 1M any day of the week! There's nothing special about M135i. Put a set PSS (and a better driver) on the 1M and I'm sure the result would be much different.
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      01-27-2013, 08:19 AM   #31
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I'd still take a 1M any day of the week! There's nothing special about M135i. Put a set PSS (and a better driver) on the 1M and I'm sure the result would be much different.
Chill, no one said the M135 is better than the 1M in terms of performance. It's just a Top Gear video, they are an entertainment show. Though, for the money, it's a fantastic amount of car.
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      01-27-2013, 09:59 AM   #32
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Put a set PSS (and a better driver) on the 1M and I'm sure the result would be much different.
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Chill, no one said the M135 is better than the 1M in terms of performance. It's just a Top Gear video, they are an entertainment show. Though, for the money, it's a fantastic amount of car.
Indeed, for more objective results, either both get the a PS2 setup or PSS setup.

Nevertheless, as mlhj83 pointed out, that M135i is a quick puppy too. A devil in a small hatch box. A bit silly though that the M135i onboard sound is partially fake (see: http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=786318).

On the other hand - and I perfectly know that it's a pure subjective thing - despite having seen quite a number of pictures, videos and reviews about the M135i, design wise the M135i still does not evoke the same "Wow!" impressions that I experienced from Day 1 when the first images of an unveiled 1M started to surface late 2010. Like many, I can still stand sometimes mesmerized next to the 1M with a "How the hell did they pull this one off in merely 18 months ?" thought. Convinced that I am definitely not the only one experiencing this.

The attraction factor of an instant classic does not wear off as time goes by. Around May 2011, the 1M got allocated a spot at the top of the mountain of cool cars, and ever since refuses to surrender and descend.

The 1M Skiddmark video posted in December 2010 pulled the trigger for me to get a 1M, especially in Valencia Orange. A video like this hypothetically featuring a M135i would not have swayed me:

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      01-27-2013, 10:10 AM   #33
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Hm, is this thread really worth five stars ?
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      01-27-2013, 10:36 AM   #34
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No big deal. Each new generation of car almost always outperforms the one it replaces . . . that's just technical progress.

Look at the Porsche 911. Every generation has been "better" than the one that came before it, at least on paper (acceleration, braking, time around the Ring, etc.)

That's not to say that some models don't stand out because of their looks or a unique combination of factors that add up to "soul." For example, there are plenty of people that would choose a mint 993 over a brand new 991, or a 1973 911S over a 1980 SC.

I like to think our 1M has that element of "soul" that will keep it desirable for years to come. Personally, I don't think many people will feel that way about the m135i.
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      01-27-2013, 12:11 PM   #35
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I took both the M135i and an M3 for test drives yesterday and they are both fantastic cars. I'm having a difficult time deciding which car is for me, I really want to love the M3, it's been my dream car for such a long time and I'm n a position to swap the 1M in for a new one but when I got back in my 1M I instantly felt at home in it. It's just so special. Such a shame I've racked up so many miles.

Incidentally I had the opportunity to accompany SkiddMark to see that VO 1M being filmed but couldn't make it due to work commitments. Was filmed at the studios where Autocar used the pictures.
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      01-27-2013, 12:34 PM   #36
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I like to think our 1M has that element of "soul" that will keep it desirable for years to come. Personally, I don't think many people will feel that way about the m135i.
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Just ask yourself: which of the two will hold its value better over time. Not that we're already scheduling 1M resale, but it ain't a bad thing to know that there are signs that the 1M will not take a steeper value plunge compared to other cars that might even outperform it. You won't have trouble finding a buyer on resale day paying a decent price for a 1M in mint condition.
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      01-27-2013, 12:44 PM   #37
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This months EVO mag pointed out a UK used 1M in the classifieds listed at £1k over new price. Could be a first for the UK market and shows that values are still strong 18 months after launch.
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I took both the M135i and an M3 for test drives yesterday and they are both fantastic cars. I'm having a difficult time deciding which car is for me, I really want to love the M3, it's been my dream car for such a long time and I'm n a position to swap the 1M in for a new one but when I got back in my 1M I instantly felt at home in it. It's just so special. Such a shame I've racked up pictures.
I've owned both and greatly prefer the 1m.

On the street it's much more aggressive and responsive. It's also much smaller and lighter which makes it more engaging to drive.

I also prefer the massive fenders and wide body compared to the m3.

I'd never go back to the m3. My 2 cents....
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I've owned both and greatly prefer the 1m.

On the street it's much more aggressive and responsive. It's also much smaller and lighter which makes it more engaging to drive.

I also prefer the massive fenders and wide body compared to the m3.

I'd never go back to the m3. My 2 cents....
You didn't have a Competition pack M3 to compare to and you fiddled with your suspension with aftermarket bits, no?

Both the 1M and M3 (with ZCP EDC in Normal) are similar in feel on the road, with the 1M more willing to rotate, although front end agility is pretty much the same between both cars. The 1M is only less than 30cm shorter and about 100kg less (with the additional wheel base, the M3 was dynamically set up for that additional weight). The carbon roof, alu bonnet and plastic fenders obviously help with keeping the CG low and within the wheel base. For me, the non-ZCP M3 had noticeably (not significantly) more suspension 'float' than the ZCP version, but that helps with very bumpy and rough roads. I personally run my ZCP M3 on 18s on the road and ZCP 19s on smoother surfaces.

Both great M-cars. Whichever one, is more down to preference.

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I took both the M135i and an M3 for test drives yesterday and they are both fantastic cars. I'm having a difficult time deciding which car is for me, I really want to love the M3, it's been my dream car for such a long time and I'm n a position to swap the 1M in for a new one but when I got back in my 1M I instantly felt at home in it. It's just so special. Such a shame I've racked up so many miles.

Incidentally I had the opportunity to accompany SkiddMark to see that VO 1M being filmed but couldn't make it due to work commitments. Was filmed at the studios where Autocar used the pictures.
If you need to get out of the 1M due to excessive mileage ? Then i would suggest that you get the V8 out of your system now while you still have the chance. Another turbo M135i, M2 or M4 will soon be in the showrooms when you are due to change next time
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