Where are the big single turbo conversions?

[adrian@vishnu]

Originally Posted by MrBlonde

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. George Bernard Shaw

I learned that long ago too... but it seems I forgot about it. Sometimes you don't recognize the pig until the wrestling has commenced, and the thing I should have really learned is that you are better to abort the wrestling then keep going.... so now comes the time for aborting... I should have done that pages ago.

[Jeef Beef]

This discussion actually brings more info than I could've ever hoped for. I don't doubt Adrian one bit in his abilities and knowledge, but flinchy's points have merit and aren't simply the ramblings of a 'keyboard warrior.'

Flinchy's views (which aren't baseless as claimed, he's doing the best he can in terms of available info) are probably held by many more people who have no knowledge of the 'inside info' you just gave us Adrian. Isn't it better this way where you can put down any misconceptions?

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by adrian@vishnu

It this "correct things as you see them" that bothers me. Just because you see things in a certain way does not mean that you actually know what you talking about.

Anyway, I am done with arguing with Flinchy. I should have known better. I keep thinking he must know this and that about the N54 community and its history..... and get proven wrong.

If i have facts, and i can show these facts, and cite multiple sources, i therefore know what i am talking about... which i have done, in this thread. i mean, i shouldn't have to because most of it is well known and obvious, but apparently i have to for some people..... you have not cited one single source or fact, everything you have posted has come off the top of your head.. and that's okay, because you know everything possible N54 related.

every single post i made i made sure to check every information source i had first to look less foolish...

ohhh i see why we don't get along.. you're right because you're right and nothing can ever change that, i have no idea how i didn't see that earlier, i know a lot of people like you

well, have fun with that.. sorry no one can ever make you see anything differently.

proven wrong, by someone who works for the company he's doing the proving for

Originally Posted by adrian@vishnu

I should have done that pages ago.

indeed.

ED: note that i don't actually like arguments like this, they frustrate the hell out of me, i cannot stand people who won't listen to cold hard facts when presented to them.. the worst kind of person.

SO i have learnt (well, i already knew this but lets go with it)

Positive facts about the Vishnu/FFtec ST kit:
- It was the first ST kit available
- It holds the world record N54 1/4 time and dyno, on the development car.

What you should have learnt and accepted: everything else.

Originally Posted by Jeef Beef

This discussion actually brings more info than I could've ever hoped for. I don't doubt Adrian one bit in his abilities and knowledge, but flinchy's points have merit and aren't simply the ramblings of a 'keyboard warrior.'

Flinchy's views (which aren't baseless as claimed, he's doing the best he can in terms of available info) are probably held by many more people who have no knowledge of the 'inside info' you just gave us Adrian. Isn't it better this way where you can put down any misconceptions?

I'm opinionated, and that rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but i'm not in the game of being proven wrong easily... and i'll say again, i'm quite sure adrian is an excellent mechanic, and i'd trust my car to him surely.

bolded the important part though

that is what people who have or are a part of businesses of this type, need to understand.

take all the companies developing stuff right now. every flaw, delay, fault, anything good or bad, it's out in public view, If you have a poor product, it does not deserve to be sold.. you are held accountable to your potential customers.. vishnu hasn't even considered doing this.

rumours, even false ones, can destroy a business. and it's no fault but their own.

[sparoz]

If I am willing to fund a development project for upgrade turbos on RHD cars, how many people would consider it? How much are people willing to pay? Similar to RB pricing? My preference is a TT still, but will do what the market wants.

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by sparoz

If I am willing to fund a development project for upgrade turbos on RHD cars, how many people would consider it? How much are people willing to pay? Similar to RB pricing? My preference is a TT still, but will do what the market wants.

RB pricing would be too low i'd say? ($3k odd?), it all depends on turbo selection, design, what it's going to achieve

it's a pretty limited market in general.

[Ænema]

It's been a good read.
So, to sum it up: A Haltech box acting as a isoloated boost controller + a DME flash(more than likely Dimsport tuning software based) + very well fabricated hardware = still some issues that need addressing before it can perform as advertised.

[JB4-335]

Originally Posted by sparoz

If I am willing to fund a development project for upgrade turbos on RHD cars, how many people would consider it? How much are people willing to pay? Similar to RB pricing? My preference is a TT still, but will do what the market wants.

To be honest Steve I would be quite content with a nicely tuned N54 with RB's for a DD at 500whp. I feel as though anything beyond this reduces the daily pleasures of this car. But each to there own.

My car made 296rwkw and I was pretty happy until I removed all the mods and drove it stock and it was so much more enjoyable. Only problem was it was bloody slow.

[jippii ensio]

Flinchy, you seem to appreciate all the hard work of Adrian and Shiv to get all the records and pushing the N54 platform to be as great as it is today. You say their achievements are so great, that they are hard to replicate. However, you have some negativity within, which hinders you to fully enjoy their achievements. If you'd get rid of that connotation, you, Adrian, N54 enthusiasts - all of us would get the positive energy to work on our cars and our jobs towards even greater achievements! As a starting point the turbos, manifolds, engine management systems, suspensions...are all available for anyone. So, we can build on those, (or some other hardware). So, as great as these guys' records are, let's, however, aim to beat them one day

Cheers!

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Flinchy, you seem to appreciate all the hard work of Adrian and Shiv to get all the records and pushing the N54 platform to be as great as it is today. You say their achievements are so great, that they are hard to replicate. However, you have some negativity within, which hinders you to fully enjoy their achievements. If you'd get rid of that connotation, you, Adrian, N54 enthusiasts - all of us would get the positive energy to work on our cars and our jobs towards even greater achievements! As a starting point the turbos, manifolds, engine management systems, suspensions...are all available for anyone. So, we can build on those, (or some other hardware). So, as great as these guys' records are, let's, however, aim to beat them one day

Cheers!

No, i'm saying that even THEY cannot replicate their own work on a customer car

Heck, i didn't really say most of that.. Dzenno making 554rwhp and 63x tq on rb's was much much more impressive to me. Showed what headwork and slight cr lowering does for gains. Much better than changing to a single.

The reasons for my negativity are thoroughly explained in this thread.

Don't worry, already the aim.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by flinchy

No, i'm saying that even THEY cannot replicate their own work on a customer car

Heck, i didn't really say most of that.. Dzenno making 554rwhp and 63x tq on rb's was much much more impressive to me. Showed what headwork and slight cr lowering does for gains. Much better than changing to a single.

The reasons for my negativity are thoroughly explained in this thread.

Don't worry, already the aim.

It would be easy for them to replicate it on any car. Just put the same stuff in that they already have. Better track prep and lower ambient temps and they can even beat their own record. Did Dzenno replicate his records in a customer's car? No, he didn't. What's the point for him doing so, or Vishnu for that matter. There is no black magic involved. With the same mods the power is the same.

[Kirst]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

It would be easy for them to replicate it on any car. Just put the same stuff in that they already have. Better track prep and lower ambient temps and they can even beat their own record. Did Dzenno replicate his records in a customer's car? No, he didn't. What's the point for him doing so, or Vishnu for that matter. There is no black magic involved. With the same mods the power is the same.

just my two cents but,

If the can only replicate it on shop cars to date, why would anybody bother buying it??

Seems common sense really

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

It would be easy for them to replicate it on any car. Just put the same stuff in that they already have. Better track prep and lower ambient temps and they can even beat their own record. Did Dzenno replicate his records in a customer's car? No, he didn't. What's the point for him doing so, or Vishnu for that matter. There is no black magic involved. With the same mods the power is the same.

Not so far

As far as i'm aware the shop car has a LOT of unreleased/proto stuff they use as advertisement for their sales

[///Chase]

Sorry Flinchy - Your grammar hurts my head.

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by ///Chase

Sorry Flinchy - Your grammar hurts my head.

There's nothing wrong with it?

Just read over it and all.

[///Chase]

Originally Posted by flinchy

If i have facts, and i can show these facts, and cite multiple sources, i therefore know what i am talking about... which i have done, in this thread. i mean, i shouldn't have to because most of it is well known and obvious, but apparently i have to for some people..... you have not cited one single source or fact, everything you have posted has come off the top of your head.. and that's okay, because you know everything possible N54 related.

What.

[Meijo]

The rambling on in this thread is just too FRIGGEN FUNNY.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by flinchy

Not so far

As far as i'm aware the shop car has a LOT of unreleased/proto stuff they use as advertisement for their sales

Since you double check everything so that you post only the truth, please list all of these: "A LOT of unreleased/proto stuff".

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by BMWlady

just my two cents but,

If the can only replicate it on shop cars to date, why would anybody bother buying it??

Seems common sense really

I'd guess the engine of the shop car is old and tired and they can replicate and better their stuff in ANY car. There is nothing specific in the shop car other than its huge mileage of very hard driving.

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by JB4135

To be honest Steve I would be quite content with a nicely tuned N54 with RB's for a DD at 500whp. I feel as though anything beyond this reduces the daily pleasures of this car. But each to there own.

My car made 296rwkw and I was pretty happy until I removed all the mods and drove it stock and it was so much more enjoyable. Only problem was it was bloody slow.

You do have some very good points .

[RoadRunner///M]

Yawn!

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by jippii ensio

Since you double check everything so that you post only the truth, please list all of these: "A LOT of unreleased/proto stuff".

Ask adrian maybe?

They had the fuel pump long before release (obviously), likely have something in testing that's a further upgrade..

They inadvertently fixed the misfire by already having an smfw

Of course they have unreleased tunes in test

Who knows what else besides possibly adrian...

It's pretty obvious that the development car is going to have things customer cars aren't, it's a development car.. Think for yourself for a minute? Some logic?

I mean.. It's like saying it didn't have the higher versions of procede before the public, or even the ST kit itself..

If it didn't have unreleased stuff, the stuff they have already released.. Well.. Wouldn't exist!

Even back before lpfp upgrades and when it was running rb's with more power than most people, it was using TONS of meth through huge nozzles.. Took a long time to learn that, shiv is very tight lipped to the public.


This is even more of a waste of time than arguing with adrian, at least some of his points were valid.

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by flinchy

Ask adrian maybe?

They had the fuel pump long before release (obviously), likely have something in testing that's a further upgrade..

They inadvertently fixed the misfire by already having an smfw

Of course they have unreleased tunes in test

Who knows what else besides possibly adrian...

It's pretty obvious that the development car is going to have things customer cars aren't, it's a development car.. Think for yourself for a minute? Some logic?

I mean.. It's like saying it didn't have the higher versions of procede before the public, or even the ST kit itself..

If it didn't have unreleased stuff, the stuff they have already released.. Well.. Wouldn't exist!

Even back before lpfp upgrades and when it was running rb's with more power than most people, it was using TONS of meth through huge nozzles.. Took a long time to learn that, shiv is very tight lipped to the public.

Ah, you don't know and you were just speculating. You post some speculation from the internet and fill in the gaps by posting your own even more biased speculation.