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      02-09-2013, 10:38 AM   #1
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Sports Car Racing vs Formula 1

The 12 hours of Bathurst begins in a few hours and we just had the 24 hours of Daytona. I have been a fan of Formula 1 since I can remember but over the last 2 years I have been enjoying sports car racing so much more than F1, that I almost don't bother with it anymore. Sports car racing, especially endurance racing, has become so interesting and fun to watch. Its also great to see our own car make and model fighting against its rivals. The "glamour" of F1 has lost my interest.
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Ohh you just kpened up a big can of worms.


For the record Audi when asked about a possible F1 jump similar to BMWs in the early 2000s from le mans racing released a statement where they said something along the lines of...

"We think that endurance racing is a greater engineering challenge than F1 and we want to stay in the series thats at the forefront of technology"


And ive caught a lot of flack over the years because I'm inclined to agree with them.






Sportscar racing is just better racing too.
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I don't have any preference one over the other: It's still racing.

As long as they're not going around in circles (direct jab at all oval racing) it's all good.
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I don't have any preference one over the other: It's still racing.

As long as they're not going around in circles (direct jab at all oval racing) it's all good.
I did a shoot for a couple of sports blogs at a nascar race last summer and it was great! If you missed the shot you had 300 more chances to get it!
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I enjoy them both for different reasons
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I'm actually building a 2007 BMW Z4 coupe with a buddy of mine to do BMWCCA and SCCA racing (both 4 hour sprint races and 12 hour endurance races). I'll be getting my competition license in the spring and in a couple weeks I'll be sitting in the car for 3+ hours for the 12 hour Devil in The Dark at NJMP. I can't wait!!!

I do love F1 and most other forms of racing minus NASCAR. I stopped watching NASCAR all together once you could change the stickers on the outside of the car to make it a Chevy, Ford, Dodge or Toyota (one template rule).
My dream races to attend are the Monaco Grand Prix and 24 Hours of LeMans.
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I'm actually building a 2007 BMW Z4 coupe with a buddy of mine to do BMWCCA and SCCA racing (both 4 hour sprint races and 12 hour endurance races). I'll be getting my competition license in the spring and in a couple weeks I'll be sitting in the car for 3+ hours for the 12 hour Devil in The Dark at NJMP. I can't wait!!!
How do you get involved with that? It sounds awesome!
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I'm actually building a 2007 BMW Z4 coupe with a buddy of mine to do BMWCCA and SCCA racing (both 4 hour sprint races and 12 hour endurance races). I'll be getting my competition license in the spring and in a couple weeks I'll be sitting in the car for 3+ hours for the 12 hour Devil in The Dark at NJMP. I can't wait!!!

I do love F1 and most other forms of racing minus NASCAR. I stopped watching NASCAR all together once you could change the stickers on the outside of the car to make it a Chevy, Ford, Dodge or Toyota (one template rule).
My dream races to attend are the Monaco Grand Prix and 24 Hours of LeMans.
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I love both F1 and Sports cars. F1 is a spectacle, and awesome, Sports cars are probably better racing.

I agree about Nascar. Sticker change=change of automaker. Basically Spec cars. I tolerate them on the few road course races that they run.
If it comes down to football or Nascar, I'll watch Nascar, at least it's motorsports.

Roundy-round just doesn't do it for me, except for Sprint cars! Those things are bad ass. 1200hp in 1200 pound cars, those guys are real men!
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I respect F1 (of course!) but I much prefer sports car racing. I can actually own something very similar to what I see on the track in a sports car race, unlike the unobtainium of everything F1. I think the racing is closer and more exiting in sports car racing too.
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I'm actually building a 2007 BMW Z4 coupe with a buddy of mine to do BMWCCA and SCCA racing (both 4 hour sprint races and 12 hour endurance races). I'll be getting my competition license in the spring and in a couple weeks I'll be sitting in the car for 3+ hours for the 12 hour Devil in The Dark at NJMP. I can't wait!!!

I do love F1 and most other forms of racing minus NASCAR. I stopped watching NASCAR all together once you could change the stickers on the outside of the car to make it a Chevy, Ford, Dodge or Toyota (one template rule).
My dream races to attend are the Monaco Grand Prix and 24 Hours of LeMans.
Awesome. Pics?
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Maybe its me getting older, but I've gained so much respect for the endurance/sports car teams over the years. No doubt that F1 is the premier of motorsports with the amazing tech and speed but racing for 24 hours is uber impressive. It inspires me to build a car and join a racing association.
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Half of the appeal of F1 is the soap opera aspect. It has glitz and glamour that other forms of racing simply don't have. It's not just interesting on race day, but also during the downtimes there is a great deal of off track drama.
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Not sure about which class for BMWCCA or SCCA. We're between two different classes (ITE and ITX).

Z4 coupes are pretty pricey as they didn't make many so we bought a car that was a rebuildable with a front end hit. We then bought a roadster for a parts car that was a flood and used all the good sheetmetal to fix the coupe.
It's a 2007 3.0si Coupe.
The first pic is what it looked like right before we sent it off for the cage and fuel cell.
Second is with the bulkhead still in place, then with it removed (it makes it easier to install the cage and then they'll enclose the fuel cell to help with packaging. The rest are progress shots along with the rear shock tower reinforcement.
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I too love both for different reasons.
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The 12 hours of Bathurst begins in a few hours and we just had the 24 hours of Daytona. I have been a fan of Formula 1 since I can remember but over the last 2 years I have been enjoying sports car racing so much more than F1, that I almost don't bother with it anymore. Sports car racing, especially endurance racing, has become so interesting and fun to watch. Its also great to see our own car make and model fighting against its rivals. The "glamour" of F1 has lost my interest.
You decided to stop watching F1 just as it was getting exciting. Last 2-3 years have been fully entertaining
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Not sure about which class for BMWCCA or SCCA. We're between two different classes (ITE and ITX).

Z4 coupes are pretty pricey as they didn't make many so we bought a car that was a rebuildable with a front end hit. We then bought a roadster for a parts car that was a flood and used all the good sheetmetal to fix the coupe.
It's a 2007 3.0si Coupe.
The first pic is what it looked like right before we sent it off for the cage and fuel cell.
Second is with the bulkhead still in place, then with it removed (it makes it easier to install the cage and then they'll enclose the fuel cell to help with packaging. The rest are progress shots along with the rear shock tower reinforcement.
Thats an exciting project you under took.
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Yeah in a roundy round racer with my sprint car and love it 830 hp 1375 pound car with me in it on dirt takes mad skill and balls. Buti I do love f1 and sports car racing a lot. I'm also a oval racer that thinks nascar is crap. To me it gives crazy oval drivers running sprint cars a bad rap.
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I enjoy almost all forms of motorsport but endurance racing for me is by far the most enjoyable to watch and follow. It has more of a connection to the road cars and new technology. You can go to an Audi dealership and point to different items on the cars and know that they are a direct result of the Le Mans program. Where as F1 is in a sense manufactured excitement. DRS, KERS, Spec tires that degrade quickly, no refueling during the race. Not to mention if a team comes up with a good idea to make the car faster it is quickly made illegal, i.e blown diffusers. Don't get me wrong I enjoy watching F1, but if there is a sportscar race on I'll watch that. Except for Grand-AM, I still haven't warmed up to that yet.
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I enjoy almost all forms of motorsport but endurance racing for me is by far the most enjoyable to watch and follow. It has more of a connection to the road cars and new technology. You can go to an Audi dealership and point to different items on the cars and know that they are a direct result of the Le Mans program. Where as F1 is in a sense manufactured excitement. DRS, KERS, Spec tires that degrade quickly, no refueling during the race. Not to mention if a team comes up with a good idea to make the car faster it is quickly made illegal, i.e blown diffusers. Don't get me wrong I enjoy watching F1, but if there is a sportscar race on I'll watch that. Except for Grand-AM, I still haven't warmed up to that yet.
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We need to make a distinction between participating in a motor sport vs. viewing. Because sports car racing is exciting and challenging to participate in, and some may also find viewing it to be "relateable", but I think the extreme dynamics of F1 translate better to TV viewing than any other motorsport. You just can't beat qualifying at Monaco, or racing through eau-rouge at Spa. And the very "openness" of F1 cars makes the in-car shots more tactile to the viewer than the inside of a closed cockpit.
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