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      02-14-2013, 03:35 PM   #1
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NYTimes vs Tesla

Wow, NYT reporter slandering the new Tesla. I'm curious whether he'll be appropriately punished, that is, fired.
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      02-14-2013, 04:21 PM   #2
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I'm glad they can defend themselves with facts.
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      02-14-2013, 04:51 PM   #3
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Damn, that's low. Journalists now days will go to any lengths to get a story to boost their career, even to the point of making stories. Well, he got his dream, he's on the headline news now. Just not how he wanted.
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      02-14-2013, 05:16 PM   #4
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You know like they say, journalism - the second oldest profession in the world...
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      02-14-2013, 05:29 PM   #5
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Datalogs are a bitch. Glad Tesla has the datalogs to back themselves up.

However, I'm still weary about how much range the car will keep over time. It uses Li-Ion batteries, but Li-Ion batteries age and lose capacity over time and according to various other factors (google "lithium ion aging", should keep you busy for a few hours). It's still a harsh reality of battery technology. Even if they just sit on a shelf at room temperature they age and lose capacity.

I.e. It would suck if you bought an $85,000 luxury sedan with a 300 mile range only to have that range drop to 200 miles after you had owned it for 4 years. A quick google shows an estimate of $34,000 for the 85kwh worth of battery in the top-line 300 mile range Tesla S. That battery will have to last 10 years while maintaining at least 85% capacity before I'd spend that kind of money.
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      02-14-2013, 05:33 PM   #6
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Yes, battery life is an issue, but fudging a story to MAKE the batteries give out only distracts from assessing the performance. I expect that when a reporter forfeits his integrity, it is hard to regain.
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      02-14-2013, 07:24 PM   #7
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Said reporter also previously wrote an article about how electric cars were a farce. Agenda, maybe?
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Welp, here's the rebuttal!

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013...hat-it-doesnt/

He seems pretty reasonable. Hard to say.
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This is about the most stupid thing I've read this week. Arguing about who is lying about when the Tesla died or not. Who in the hell pays $85K for a car that can barely go 300 miles and takes an hour to recharge at one of the company's recharging station? I drive my car for over 400 miles, find a gas station, recharge it in five minutes and I am on my way for another 400 miles....
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This is about the most stupid thing I've read this week. Arguing about who is lying about when the Tesla died or not. Who in the hell pays $85K for a car that can barely go 300 miles and takes an hour to recharge at one of the company's recharging station? I drive my car for over 400 miles, find a gas station, recharge it in five minutes and I am on my way for another 400 miles....
That's awesome . . . for now. But when gas hits $10 a gallon, people will be yearning for more efficient ways to travel. Not that the Tesla, at 90k fits that bill just yet.

I drive about nearly 900 miles a month in my Volt for about $17 bucks a month total . Recently started a new job that's 100 miles a day round trip. Drove my GF's car for a week. Even at 26mpg, that hurt.
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I see a lot of teslas on the road (I am in the bay area) and I will consider one when the price for 300 miles of range comes down a bit.

I have an acquaintance who has put in solar panels on his property (enough to produce more power then his 7000 square foot house uses) and he is planning on an electric car, that seems like a perfect situation to me.
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      02-15-2013, 09:20 PM   #12
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That's awesome . . . for now. But when gas hits $10 a gallon, people will be yearning for more efficient ways to travel. Not that the Tesla, at 90k fits that bill just yet.

I drive about nearly 900 miles a month in my Volt for about $17 bucks a month total . Recently started a new job that's 100 miles a day round trip. Drove my GF's car for a week. Even at 26mpg, that hurt.
I drive 800 miles a week. I looked at the Volt too. I love the way the Volt drives; it truly is an amazing car. If it fit my commute better I'd buy one in a heartbeat (no pun intended). If I lived in the Burbs and drove 50 miles a day, I don't think you can beat the Volt formula.

I thought the Tesla could fill my needs and did the math on how it compared to my E90 in total cost over 194,000 miles. In total operating costs (vehicle cost, maintenance, fuel) the Tesla was about $15,000 (estimated) more than the E90. A 60 kWh version would get me the range I need for my 160 mile daily drive.

The thing that kills the Tesla for me is the $600/12,000 mile service cost. Sounds like Tesla is just grabbing some extra money from the owner.
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      02-15-2013, 11:37 PM   #13
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NY Reporters, news papers are a complete waste of bandwidth. The world doesn't revolve around New York and nobody gives a shit about their opinion. Get over it...
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NY Reporters, news papers are a complete waste of bandwidth. The world doesn't revolve around New York and nobody gives a shit about their opinion. Get over it...
And Hollywood too.
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Saw one of these cars a few weeks ago on the road. Never thought I'd see one out in the wild. It looked really nice too!
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And Hollywood too.
Yes !!!! Hollywood is worse............lol
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