300+whp~Supercharged 128i ?

[Add1ct]

is it just me? Or is this thread full of 135i folks criticizing this option. Obviously it is not the most practical route versus the 135i, but who cares, power is power and if that's what you like go ahead and do it. It appears to me that this thread is full of a bunch of 135i folk who in some way fear the forced induction 128i infringing on their having the superior e8x model :iono:

[Alext]

It's just that if you want more power you may as well trade up to a 135i instead. I cant imagine that much of a difference in price and will probably be less hassle in the end.

[jotapeh]

Originally Posted by Add1ct

is it just me? Or is this thread full of 135i folks criticizing this option. Obviously it is not the most practical route versus the 135i, but who cares, power is power and if that's what you like go ahead and do it. It appears to me that this thread is full of a bunch of 135i folk who in some way fear the forced induction 128i infringing on their having the superior e8x model :iono:

It's not infringing until you floss off your 128i badge and replace it with a 135

[BForbes]

I wouldnt take the chance with such a pricey car. Its not like your slapping a SC on a $4,000 car. Stack up on the cash reserves if this is really your thing.

[dcarchitect]

I bought the 128i because I thought it was enough power,(remember the 95-99 M3 was 240 hp and people though that was great), I really thought i needed a new car, and the economy sucks, so the 128i seemed to be way more modest than getting a 135i.
I was out the door for barely $30k with sport package and heated seats, w/ 0.9% financing and only $500 down.
Other real options to the 128i were of coure the base WRX, the volvo 30 hot hatch, the mini cooper S or works even,
I found out later the accord coupe has 263 hp, but it will always be a front driver.
So Now, I am sometimes wishing for more power;
But not enough to void my warrenty with an aftermaket supercharger, actually not even enough to pop $2k more for the performance intake and exhaust.
I'll probably get the short shiter, as I have done that with 7 of the previous 9 BMW's i have owned over my lifetime.
However to go fast, I went out and bought an aprilia Tuono 1000cc 130hp, 430 pound italian motorcycle. ( w/ a 200 lb rider thats translates to over 400hp per ton)
It was $5k used, and 0-60 is about 3.2 for the skilled racer and about 4 for mere mortals like myself.
So if i loose my job, I can always sell my motorcycle , even just for $4k, and have money to survive. If i bought a supercharger for the 128i, (or other performance parts) I'd never see that money again, and with the SC void the entire car warranty.
the 128i is a very nice car, and is better than the e36 M3 in some regards, and costs less NEW than i paid for my '95 e36 M3 certified USED in 99!!!!.
With the sport pack, I really think all it needs is the short shift and wider front tire to dial out the understeer, and/or probably the thick rear sway bar for the same reason.
After that you're just playing foolishly with your money.
enjoy the car for what it is, and put some money in the bank.

[jbenington86]

I don't plan on doing any FI on my car due to the fact of simple science.... the more horsepower you try and squeeze out of a car the more mechanical problems are likely to occur.... seen people blow $40k in a week for nothing and I just sit back and laugh because some people think they are engineers... as of right now I dont even trust most cars that come with turbos already in them..... once i see them consistently lasting 130k+ miles then ill begin to change my mind

[WeekendWarrior]

Originally Posted by Add1ct

is it just me? Or is this thread full of 135i folks criticizing this option. Obviously it is not the most practical route versus the 135i, but who cares, power is power and if that's what you like go ahead and do it. It appears to me that this thread is full of a bunch of 135i folk who in some way fear the forced induction 128i infringing on their having the superior e8x model :iono:

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[WeekendWarrior]

Originally Posted by jbenington86

I don't plan on doing any FI on my car due to the fact of simple science.... the more horsepower you try and squeeze out of a car the more mechanical problems are likely to occur.... seen people blow $40k in a week for nothing and I just sit back and laugh because some people think they are engineers... as of right now I dont even trust most cars that come with turbos already in them..... once i see them consistently lasting 130k+ miles then ill begin to change my mind

you dont get around much do you?

[jbenington86]

Iv been around... Just got back from Germany thanks... didnt see many turbo cars getting over 100k miles on them well diesels but they are in a totally different section... iv watched enough people destroy there cars with FI.... you go ahead and squeeze as much hp out of ur car as u can and call me when it breaks down.... then again ur fuel pump will prolly fail before anything else hahaha

[WeekendWarrior]

Originally Posted by jbenington86

Iv been around... Just got back from Germany thanks... didnt see many turbo cars getting over 100k miles on them well diesels but they are in a totally different section... iv watched enough people destroy there cars with FI.... you go ahead and squeeze as much hp out of ur car as u can and call me when it breaks down.... then again ur fuel pump will prolly fail before anything else hahaha

sounds like the bitter argument of a turd with a slow car and "1 testicle." my previous car was turbo'd and lasted well over 100k miles without an issue. and i had lots of friends with the same car and THEIR cars lasted over 100k too...and they were much more abusive to their vehicles than i was. soo..yea...and my fuel pump will be replaced under warranty and then the issue is gone for good...then....what will you joke about? uh oh.

[jbenington86]

Originally Posted by WeekendWarrior

sounds like the bitter argument of a turd with a slow car and "1 testicle." my previous car was turbo'd and lasted well over 100k miles without an issue. and i had lots of friends with the same car and THEIR cars lasted over 100k too...and they were much more abusive to their vehicles than i was. soo..yea...and my fuel pump will be replaced under warranty and then the issue is gone for good...then....what will you joke about? uh oh.

wow u get to the speed limit a whole second faster then me bravo bravo ill still have plenty of things to make fun of u for like you and your friends needing to buy the same cars... do you go and hold hands while you make the purchase?... do you all buy the turbo'ed cars together to make it seem like u have a set of balls? because if you have a turbo'ed car that automatically makes you have a giant set of balls right. your car may have balls but that never means the driver does.... btw why r u even reading 128i thread? coming in here just tryin to make fun of the more conservative bmw crowd that isnt all about racing.. someone just entertains the thought of making a 128i just as quick as the 135i and everyone with a 135 jumps down the throats of the people with the 128 saying not possible thats stupid...... I get the same nice ride and smooth driving so I could care less

[italiantank26]

^ are you trying to say the 128 is better than a 135, and a NA motor is better than FI?

[Mad Dragon]

Originally Posted by WeekendWarrior

sounds like the bitter argument of a turd with a slow car and "1 testicle."

sounds like someone's compensating...

[mugennosora]

Originally Posted by italiantank26

^ are you trying to say the 128 is better than a 135, and a NA motor is better than FI?

I think he's saying that a NA car is more responsive and reliable than FI, and NA car fully tuned are better than FI fully tuned. and I agree.

[lib]

Originally Posted by italiantank26

^ are you trying to say the 128 is better than a 135, and a NA motor is better than FI?

He did more than try...

It's always fun to speculate but I wouldn't expect any SC'ed 128/328/528's for several years. Once they're well out of warantee and people start picking up e9x's and e82's as track/autocross cars you'll probably find a few people stuffing in a SC. In the meantime it would make a lot more sense to pick up a 135 if you want FI.

[boostin]

Originally Posted by jbenington86

as of right now I dont even trust most cars that come with turbos already in them..... once i see them consistently lasting 130k+ miles then ill begin to change my mind

turbocharging has been around for decades in passenger cars, large trucks, and locomotives. they last just as long as naturally aspirated engines. 130k miles is nothing for most motors.

[jbenington86]

Originally Posted by boostin

turbocharging has been around for decades in passenger cars, large trucks, and locomotives. they last just as long as naturally aspirated engines. 130k miles is nothing for most motors.

mass produced turbocharged cars have been around but not in nearly the quantity that they are today.... large trucks and locomotives are not even in the category we are even talking about... they are under diesel class anyway... now back to the gasoline engine.....

Originally Posted by mugennosora

I think he's saying that a NA car is more responsive and reliable than FI, and NA car fully tuned are better than FI fully tuned. and I agree.

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[boostin]

Originally Posted by jbenington86

mass produced turbocharged cars have been around but not in nearly the quantity that they are today.... large trucks and locomotives are not even in the category we are even talking about... they are under diesel class anyway... now back to the gasoline engine.....

i was just using an example of how turbochargers have been used for years. what makes you think that because more turbo-cars are produced these days, that it means they're less reliable? if anything, the fact that turbocharging is becoming the mainstream, means that the design is safe. you sound like an older person, so there's no use trying to change your mind. just know, you are ill-informed. have a nice day.

[boostin]

Originally Posted by mugennosora

I think he's saying that a NA car is more responsive and reliable than FI, and NA car fully tuned are better than FI fully tuned. and I agree.

engine response on modern turbo cars is very good. the 135i motor is designed to minimize turbo lag.

and the comment about "an NA car 'fully tuned' are better than FI 'fully tuned' " - "better" is an extremely subjective term. in what ways is an NA motor "better" then an FI motor? turbo cars are capable of MUCH more horsepower than a NA car.

[jbenington86]

Originally Posted by boostin

engine response on modern turbo cars is very good. the 135i motor is designed to minimize turbo lag.

and the comment about "an NA car 'fully tuned' are better than FI 'fully tuned' " - "better" is an extremely subjective term. in what ways is an NA motor "better" then an FI motor? turbo cars are capable of MUCH more horsepower than a NA car.

just for shits and giggles let me review this really quick

(Figures Taken From BMW Websites)

Models Engine Displacement Power Torque Redline Year
N52B25 2.5 L (2497 cc/152 in³) 130 kW (174 hp) @ 5800 230 N·m (170 ft·lbf) @ 3500-5000 7000 rpm 2005
160 kW (215 hp) @ 6500 250 N·m (184 ft·lbf) @ 2750-4250 7000 rpm 2005
N52B30 3.0 L (2996 cc/182 in³) 190 kW (255 hp) @ 6600 300 N·m (221 ft·lbf) @ 2500-4000 7000 rpm 2004
195 kW (265 hp) @ 6600 315 N·m (232 ft·lbf) @ 2750-4250 7000 rpm 2005
200 kW (272 hp) @ 6650 315 N·m (232 ft·lbf) @ 2750-4250 7000 rpm 2006

(Figures Taken From BMW Websites)

hmmm sad to say i could see an EASY 272hp 128i w/o any turbos at all

so with a nicely tuned n52 engine you can get 28hp less than a car with a slightly larger engine and turbos... i could see a 300hp 128i......

[jbenington86]

hmm i wanna see if anyone catches a small mistake i made above

[gtaday51]

Originally Posted by jbenington86

hmm i wanna see if anyone catches a small mistake i made above

Is it when you said the 135i has a slightly larger engine?