335 - about 340HP is for real

ward · 09-22-2005, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikki

The RS4 is only $65k

where'd ya find that??

just curious as it looks to me like the official price hasn't been anounced yet (so my guess of 80's no more valid than what I assume is your guess of 65)

every mag I've seen so far guesses at 80

RS4 seems pretty silly to me compared to the regular S4

Nikki · 09-22-2005, 11:14 PM

2007 BMW M3
~400hp
0-60: ?
$68k (est)

2006 Audi RS4
~414hp
0-60: 4.6 (est)
$65k (my bf works at Champion Audi and this is the "official unofficial US price", if you know what I mean)

2006 BMW 335i (?)
~340hp
0-60: ?
$45k(?)

2005 Audi S4:
340hp
0-60: 5.0s
$46k

Nikki · 09-22-2005, 11:22 PM

Audi RS4

Quote:

Originally Posted by edmunds.com

What Edmunds.com Says: As if the V8-powered S4 wasn't enough already, Audi goes for the throat with this even more powerful compact four-door.

What We Know: With a 4.2-liter V8 under its newly reshaped nose, the RS4 is the new undisputed king of compact sport sedans. Consider that its normally aspirated direct-injection eight-cylinder cranks out 414 horsepower, 311 pound-feet of torque and doesn't hit the redline until 8,250 rpm. Then factor in its standard six-speed manual, self-locking Torsen center differential and driver-adjustable throttle control and you've got a Euro sedan that will wipe the asphalt with an M3. Additional upgrades include a recalibrated suspension that lowers the car just over an inch, wider front and rear tracks, a heavy dose of bodywork and unique double-spoke wheels. All RS4s also get Audi's Dynamic Ride Control system and a pair of 14.3-inch brake rotors up front for stopping power that can put you through the windshield if you sneeze the wrong way. Interior changes are minimal, but effective. The sport steering wheel looks like it came straight out of Audi's Le Mans prototype thanks to its unique shape and metallic trim. The flat-bottomed wheel also puts the driver-adjustable throttle control right at the tips of your fingers. A starter button, metallic pedals and lightweight sport seats with inflatable side bolsters round out the cabin upgrades.

Nikki · 09-22-2005, 11:23 PM

BMW M3

Quote:

Originally Posted by edmunds.

What Edmunds.com Says: Eight-cylinder power finally makes its way to BMW's smallest M car, but with more competition than ever before it's going to need more than just displacement to stay ahead of the game.

What We Know: After the launch of the redesigned 3 Series for the 2005 model year, BMW is expected to follow up with an all-new M3 shortly thereafter. Power will come from an all-new 4.0-liter V8 with roughly 400 horses and a quick-shifting SMG transmission. No word yet on whether it will incorporate some of BMW's more advanced features like Active Steering and Active Roll Stability, but its going to need all the help it can get with a car like Audi's RS4 to contend with.

edmunds seems to agree.

Nikki · 09-22-2005, 11:30 PM

and just because i love pictures...

lux.sh · 09-22-2005, 11:41 PM

wait wait. new S4(the V8 one, not old TT one) only has 340hp????
Sorry, I was careless of the new s4 because of its disgusting styling.

Maybe future line ups are turning out to be a little different. BMW coming
out very strong with their 3 series, maybe audi just couldn't keep up
with the S4. but it always has been S4 vs M3.

and I doubt the new BMW will be at near 70k.

Nikki · 09-22-2005, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lux.sh

and I doubt the new BMW will be at near 70k.

I would put money on over $60k

lux.sh · 09-22-2005, 11:55 PM

yeah. Probably around 60 range. but not near 70.

Nikki · 09-22-2005, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lux.sh

yeah. Probably around 60 range. but not near 70.

well i'll place my bets on $63k.

Pick your number!

Ioman · 09-23-2005, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikki

The new M3 is not going to be 50k.
I didn't say that the S4 competes with a 330i, it would, however, compete with a 335i.

Look at the stats of the new M3 and tell me how an S4 could compete against that?

I agree with Nikki, like I said I think the 335i will compete against the S4 and the M3 will compete against the RS4. Right now there is a gap in the BMW line and I think thats where the 335i fits in.

astris · 09-23-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ioman

I agree with Nikki, like I said I think the 335i will compete against the S4 and the M3 will compete against the RS4. Right now there is a gap in the BMW line and I think thats where the 335i fits in.

You are correct there... for now. But there is not so much of a gap in the 3 series line as there is too many Audi's in the 4 series line.

The new gen S4 (2008?) might be back competing with the E90 M3. On side note, the RS4 is

and its 420hp and not 414. Also with a 40/60 awd split hopefully around 65k, but most speculations have it at 70k.

Either way, if this 335 comes to fruition then thats probably what I'll get because its the only one that might be remotely in my price range. Plus, if it really is turboed (kinda suspect to me) it will have endless modding potential.

lxapilot118 · 09-23-2005, 01:26 AM

hmmm

lux.sh · 09-23-2005, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikki

well i'll place my bets on $63k.

Pick your number!

ehhh msrp starting @ 61k.

odct · 09-23-2005, 10:57 AM

Ehh... I love predictions

2006 325 (3.0l; 215 HP) -> 2007 323 (2.5l, euro 325 motor; 218 HP)
2006 330 (3.0l; 255 HP) -> 2007 328 (3.0l; 255 HP or slightly more)
2007 335 (3.0l bi-turbo; 340 HP)

btw, 323 w/ 2.5l is already on sale in Canada... b4 we had E46 320 (2.2l), 325 (2.5l) and 330 (3.0l). Now it's 2006 323(2.5l), 325(3.0l) and 330(3.0l). Doesn't make sense to keep 323 AND 325 for long, doesn it?!?
So I think 328 is not nonsense at all.

CirrusSR22 · 09-23-2005, 12:23 PM

I'd guess the 330i should be going up in power too. Since the 130i is already at 265 BHP vs. 255 BHP in the 330i

chazmtb · 09-23-2005, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

I'd guess the 330i should be going up in power too. Since the 130i is already at 265 BHP vs. 255 BHP in the 330i

Difference in HP rating between Europe and US.

CirrusSR22 · 09-23-2005, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chazmtb

Difference in HP rating between Europe and US.

Ooops. I was just looking at www.bmw.co.uk and the 330i is (190 kw) 258 BHP and the 130i is (195 kw) 265 BHP.

Which is actually weird because 195 kw is 261 HP, not 265 HP.

ward · 09-23-2005, 01:47 PM

thanks for the feedback Nikki, I hadn't seen that info before

RichReg · 09-23-2005, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

Ooops. I was just looking at www.bmw.co.uk and the 330i is (190 kw) 258 BHP and the 130i is (195 kw) 265 BHP.

Which is actually weird because 195 kw is 261 HP, not 265 HP.

The reason for the higher hp in the 130i vs the 330i is the shorter exhaust. The engines are exactly the same.

Robert · 09-23-2005, 02:10 PM

A fully loaded new M3 might be 65-70k but I think the bare bone model will be around 53-54k.

ward · 09-23-2005, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbo

A fully loaded new M3 might be 65-70k but I think the bare bone model will be around 53-54k.

I would tend to agree with you on that, most people don't know that the current base is only $48,900

given the price will probably increase with the more power........
base ought to be about right where bobbo said 53-54

CC 330i · 09-24-2005, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lux.sh

wait wait. new S4(the V8 one, not old TT one) only has 340hp????
Sorry, I was careless of the new s4 because of its disgusting styling.

Umm, 340 hp from a normally aspirated 4.2 liter engine is pretty darn good, and if you ever drove one, it is a very comfortable every day car. (unlike a V6 M3).

The new 4.2 liter engine gets closer to 420 hp, using FSI direct injection, and is also getting high marks for drivablility. This engine also revs to 8250 RPM, which is about 1,250 more RPM than my 330i can do. Not bad for a V8.

No doubt the BMW V8 for the new M3 will put out more horsepower per liter than the S4, but probably not more than the RS4.

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lux.sh missing two turbos. 581 Rep 4,859 Posts Drives: fast around corners. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Curves iTrader: (12) Garage List 2006 BMW E90 330i [0.00]	wait wait. new S4(the V8 one, not old TT one) only has 340hp???? Sorry, I was careless of the new s4 because of its disgusting styling. Maybe future line ups are turning out to be a little different. BMW coming out very strong with their 3 series, maybe audi just couldn't keep up with the S4. but it always has been S4 vs M3. and I doubt the new BMW will be at near 70k. __________________ 06 AW E90 330i ZPP/ZSP/Step/Expired Warranty : Prior Design Front : ACS Rear : ACS Roof : BlackLines : Simota Intake : Carbon Fiber Interior Trim : : MTEC V3 : 24% Charcoal : V1 Hardwired : Solaris Invisibulbs/LED interior :
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lux.sh missing two turbos. 581 Rep 4,859 Posts Drives: fast around corners. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Curves iTrader: (12) Garage List 2006 BMW E90 330i [0.00]	yeah. Probably around 60 range. but not near 70. __________________ 06 AW E90 330i ZPP/ZSP/Step/Expired Warranty : Prior Design Front : ACS Rear : ACS Roof : BlackLines : Simota Intake : Carbon Fiber Interior Trim : : MTEC V3 : 24% Charcoal : V1 Hardwired : Solaris Invisibulbs/LED interior :
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odct New Member 0 Rep 6 Posts Drives: 4wheel$ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	Ehh... I love predictions 2006 325 (3.0l; 215 HP) -> 2007 323 (2.5l, euro 325 motor; 218 HP) 2006 330 (3.0l; 255 HP) -> 2007 328 (3.0l; 255 HP or slightly more) 2007 335 (3.0l bi-turbo; 340 HP) btw, 323 w/ 2.5l is already on sale in Canada... b4 we had E46 320 (2.2l), 325 (2.5l) and 330 (3.0l). Now it's 2006 323(2.5l), 325(3.0l) and 330(3.0l). Doesn't make sense to keep 323 AND 325 for long, doesn it?!? So I think 328 is not nonsense at all.
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