TC Kline vs. Vorshlag - Camber Plates

[dsm 135i]

Does anyone have any comparison between the TC Kline and Vorshalg Camber Plates? I want am getting camber plates as soon as I get back from Afghanistan. I still have the stock suspension plus an M3 front bar.

[larryn]

Both are made pretty bullet proof. I've used both. The 1er has the Vorschlag V2 version.. their latest. I have no personal experience with the TCK 1er camber plates, but have them on my other bimmer.

The Vorschlag plates on the 1er work well, but introduce noise, over time, and the stack is not quite tall enough, to the upper spring seat rubs on the back of the camber plate in travel. I've emailed pictures of this to Vorschlag last year. They still sell the same design. This would not be an issue if I were to run coilovers. I do not, and run Koni Yellows w/H&R springs.

I would try the TCK ones, unless you are using coilovers, and then I wouldn't hesitate on the Vorschlag set. Both are easily adjustable and pretty bulletproof.

[nordique14]

Like Larry, I had the Vorshlag on my 1er and had the TCK on my EE36. The Vorshlag has not made any noise (so far). They are more painful to adjust than the TCK ones. The TC E36 camber plates only had 1.5* of adjustment but that was plenty. I ran -2* street and -3.5* as the autocross. If I had coilovers I would have bought the E8x TCK camber plates but I have stock springs/shocks and I am not aware TCK will work with them.

[Frampton]

has anyone actually run the tck plates on their 1er?

I think I am going to do camber plates next instead of a rear sway and would love to know if there is the same noise issue on the TCK's as there is on the vorshlags

[nordique14]

Originally Posted by Frampton

has anyone actually run the tck plates on their 1er?

I think I am going to do camber plates next instead of a rear sway and would love to know if there is the same noise issue on the TCK's as there is on the vorshlags

If you autox or track the camber plates are a much better mod than a rear sway. Whatever you spend on the camber plates you will make up in savings on tires.

[aisthetes]

Originally Posted by nordique14

If you autox or track the camber plates are a much better mod than a rear sway. Whatever you spend on the camber plates you will make up in savings on tires.

Absolutely true.

I really like my Vorshlag plates. They're extremely robust and well-engineered. The minimal road noise is worth the compromise for the performance benefit.

[Frampton]

thanks guys

bump for more info on the tck's before I order another new toy

[Frampton]

i don't see an e82 application on the ground control site?

[fboutlaw]

So far I have experience with 2 camber plates:
- Dinan
- Vorshlaq

I used the Dinan for about 6 months and there were no issues. The camber just wasn't aggressive enough for autox (somewhere around 1.5 deg).

Just installed the Vorshlaq camber plates this last weekend with the Dinan suspension (stock size springs, koni struts) and while the process is a pain to install them, it was pretty straight forward. So far I've had no noise from the plates, but I can see how some would. You need to re-use the stock rubber protector ring at the top of the springs, that way there's no metal on metal contact. If you leave out the rubber ring you'll have metal on metal rubbing and probably noise.

So far, I would definitely recommend using the vorshlaq's. You can move the strut the full play within the upper strut mount, which gives you max negative camber without modifying the chassis.

[cpt97m3]

Originally Posted by maxnix

So no one is mentioning the ground control camber plates, or are they a take off one one of these designs?

They seem to have a rubber isolated design, an intermediate design with a synthetic (Delrin?) bearing, and a full metal design for track.

I'll be likely trying the GC hybrid plates. Looks like a good compromise for the street.

[cpt97m3]

Originally Posted by Frampton

i don't see an e82 application on the ground control site?

It's there. Three different choices (or more depending how you count) See:

http://www.ground-control-store.com/...ory.php/CA=285

They have both an E82 link and the 1 Series link. Plus it's the same parts for the E90 3 series. But yes, the website is very confusing!

[fboutlaw]

Originally Posted by maxnix

So, now we wonder if this was omitted in the previous post complaining about noise? Rubber does wear, so replacing this ring sounds like part of any installation rehabilitation of the struts.

I read in one of the forums that someone did have metal on metal with the vorshlaq's. They don't provide a new rubber gasket for the top of the spring, so I re-used mine from the stock setup. I don't expect significant wear as it's a stationary part, however, it will need to be replaced some time in the future.

[dsm 135i]

TC Kline Camber plates will not work with stock suspension. They recommended the Vorshlag camber plates for that application.

[Frampton]

Originally Posted by fboutlaw

So far I have experience with 2 camber plates:
- Dinan
- Vorshlaq

I used the Dinan for about 6 months and there were no issues. The camber just wasn't aggressive enough for autox (somewhere around 1.5 deg).

Just installed the Vorshlaq camber plates this last weekend with the Dinan suspension (stock size springs, koni struts) and while the process is a pain to install them, it was pretty straight forward. So far I've had no noise from the plates, but I can see how some would. You need to re-use the stock rubber protector ring at the top of the springs, that way there's no metal on metal contact. If you leave out the rubber ring you'll have metal on metal rubbing and probably noise.

So far, I would definitely recommend using the vorshlaq's. You can move the strut the full play within the upper strut mount, which gives you max negative camber without modifying the chassis.

thanks for the info probably going the vorshlag route now after this and the recommendation from my local shop yesterday that will be doing the isntall

[lavmugen]

for those with vorshlag camber plates: single or double row bearings? any difference?

[HP Autowerks]

Single row are race only. Double row is for street and are more robust for DD'ing.

You can't go wrong with either TC or Vorshlag (we sell both) but we opt for Vorshlag first. We have sold Vorshlag plates with countless suspension setups without complaints. You will get noise with TC as well. Both camber plate designs use spherical bearings which increases NVH over stock rubber but well it's worth it if you are looking to dial in some more camber or caster.

-Tyler

[larryn]

Originally Posted by fboutlaw

Just installed the Vorshlaq camber plates this last weekend with the Dinan suspension (stock size springs, koni struts) and while the process is a pain to install them, it was pretty straight forward. So far I've had no noise from the plates, but I can see how some would. You need to re-use the stock rubber protector ring at the top of the springs, that way there's no metal on metal contact. If you leave out the rubber ring you'll have metal on metal rubbing and probably noise.

I do have the rubber installed. that is not where it is making contact. It is the upper spring perch making contact with the plate itself. It actually rubs a groove into the aluminum upper spring perch. the issue is that the bearing stack is not tall enough for my setup. I'm very dropped and have more than -3deg.... I've seen the exact same thing on another Vorschlag 135i install too... that caused the driver to move to Dinan non-adjustable plates.

[spernesn]

Do the Vorshlag fit KW V3 coilover? I been using the OEM damper top now..

Sorry for my bad english

[HP Autowerks]

Originally Posted by spernesn

Do the Vorshlag fit KW V3 coilover? I been using the OEM damper top now..

Sorry for my bad english

Yes, Vorshlag plates are of a modular design. All you need is the KW V3 top perches.

[CDN_135i]

Originally Posted by nordique14

If you autox or track the camber plates are a much better mod than a rear sway. Whatever you spend on the camber plates you will make up in savings on tires.

Im an looking into camber plates and dont know a whole lot about them so im wondering why you say you will make up savings on tires.

Does this mean that by adding negative camber for AutoX you have less tire wear?

[HP Autowerks]

Originally Posted by dsm 335i

Does anyone have any comparison between the TC Kline and Vorshalg Camber Plates? I want am getting camber plates as soon as I get back from Afghanistan. I still have the stock suspension plus an M3 front bar.

Both are great and will give you excellent reliability.

TCK can only be used on Koni based struts, nothing else, not even oem.

Vorshlag on the other hand is modular and offer just about any strut type and shaft profile available today. It's naturally your choice between the two.

Originally Posted by lavmugen

for those with vorshlag camber plates: single or double row bearings? any difference?

Double for a street car.

[GaryS]

Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

TCK can only be used on Koni based struts, nothing else, not even oem.

Does it work with ordinary Sports and FSDs?