Can those with 1Ms compare to JB3?

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

So you are saying that the M suspension is the best you can get? Also, I'm not the one that threw the $2,000 suspension figure out. Which is why I noted, imagine what else could be done for the remaining $5K, which would make the total suspension estimate equal to $7K. Who knows, I might end up with a 1-series M one day.

No what I am saying is that $2k will not get you a suspension on par with the 1M (even without having driven the 1M) because the parts on the 1M, which are by and large taken from the M3, would cost over $2k on their own...PARTs ONLY.....and I dare say it would end up costing you over $5k.
This isn't justifying buying a 1M if you already have a tuned 135i (like myself...)...but saying that it would cost you a good amount of money to do and may not be worth it, for new buyers especially...

[HondaGoneRogue]

Of course it wouldn't be worth it NOW that there is a 1M. We are the reason there IS a 1M. We started swapping M3 parts (HPA), we started turning the boost up (Terry/Shiv). We asked for the widebody kit. (E/R) We built the equivalent of the 1M before they (bmw) probably even thought about it.

Now, since there is a 1M, of course it's a better idea to buy that for 48k instead of buying the 135i and trying to make it as nimble as the 1M. But for us that already own (and have modded) the 1er's of yore, it's just too small of a gap to buy a brand new 1M @ MSRP.

I love how the thread started with a clear goal statement: stock 1M vs tuned 135i.
Now we are talking about suspension and price points for building the 1M. Hahaha.

We definitely aren't busy enough right now. We all have great cars.

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by HondaGoneRogue

Of course it wouldn't be worth it NOW that there is a 1M. We are the reason there IS a 1M. We started swapping M3 parts (HPA), we started turning the boost up (Terry/Shiv). We asked for the widebody kit. (E/R) We built the equivalent of the 1M before they (bmw) probably even thought about it.

Now, since there is a 1M, of course it's a better idea to buy that for 48k instead of buying the 135i and trying to make it as nimble as the 1M. But for us that already own (and have modded) the 1er's of yore, it's just too small of a gap to buy a brand new 1M @ MSRP.

I love how the thread started with a clear goal statement: stock 1M vs tuned 135i.
Now we are talking about suspension and price points for building the 1M. Hahaha.

We definitely aren't busy enough right now. We all have great cars.

Well said as usual HGR

[Robert]

Originally Posted by 1Mer

Nothing wrong with the N54 (aside from the historic Fuel Pump reliability). I'd settle for a BMW sanctioned Perforamnce Upgrade for the 1M.

Remember this? - I think it's coming...


http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=457707

I have not followed the hpfp drama as close lately as I liked. Where are we at? Current line-up is using more and more of turbo technology, while N54 phased out to N55 has the new engine resolved so assumed culprit, hpfp?

[HondaGoneRogue]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

Well said as usual HGR

[JHOOPS2]

HGR did a good job clarifying what I was trying to say.

[Mr.Metak2you]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

How do you know they exist if you don't even know what they are?

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

There are no changes. I don't mean to come off like an asshole. Sorry. I just have not seen one thing written with facts to back it up that states a difference in the intake.

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

Not that I have seen as far as the intake goes. It is the same. And The exhaust is a bit different, but it isn't likely to add any power what so ever. In any case, neither one of them are the power plant.

".....the twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder unit mounted longitudinally up front is the same as that found in the Z4 sDrive35is, save for some fine-tuning of the inlet manifold and exhaust system..." INSIDELINE May 2, 2011

I would say, how do you know they are the same? Just because YOU say so? Or just because you look at the outside appearance of the engine in a side by side picture? Any changes to the inlet manifold would not be evident by outward appearance obviously.

I am not saying I am certain there is a definite difference between the 1M and the 335i but you should cool your jets a bit until you know for certain. It is mentioned in several publications so I leave the possibility that there might be some minor differences.

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by HondaGoneRogue

Of course it wouldn't be worth it NOW that there is a 1M. We are the reason there IS a 1M. We started swapping M3 parts (HPA), we started turning the boost up (Terry/Shiv). We asked for the widebody kit. (E/R) We built the equivalent of the 1M before they (bmw) probably even thought about it.

Now, since there is a 1M, of course it's a better idea to buy that for 48k instead of buying the 135i and trying to make it as nimble as the 1M. But for us that already own (and have modded) the 1er's of yore, it's just too small of a gap to buy a brand new 1M @ MSRP.

I love how the thread started with a clear goal statement: stock 1M vs tuned 135i.
Now we are talking about suspension and price points for building the 1M. Hahaha.

We definitely aren't busy enough right now. We all have great cars.

Its not just the cost of the mods, those with 135s have to factor in the difference between the selling price of their 135 and purchase price of the 1M. That could be another 15-35k depending.

[HondaGoneRogue]

Right, I thought I conveyed that, my bad.

[JHOOPS2]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

".....the twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder unit mounted longitudinally up front is the same as that found in the Z4 sDrive35is, save for some fine-tuning of the inlet manifold and exhaust system..." INSIDELINE May 2, 2011

I would say, how do you know they are the same? Just because YOU say so? Or just because you look at the outside appearance of the engine in a side by side picture? Any changes to the inlet manifold would not be evident by outward appearance obviously.

I am not saying I am certain there is a definite difference between the 1M and the 335i but you should cool your jets a bit until you know for certain. It is mentioned in several publications so I leave the possibility that there might be some minor differences.

Cool my jets? LMAO!

[Mr.Metak2you]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

Cool my jets? LMAO!

That's it? That's your response? I had a feeling you couldn't come back with an intelligent response to the point i was making in my post. You did not disappoint.

[JHOOPS2]

Well, you did quote inside line, so I based my response accordingly.

[JHOOPS2]

Also from inside line:
Approximately forever ago we learned the 2011 BMW 1 Series M Coupe would use a version of BMW's N54 engine (no, not the newer, single-turbo N55). This is the twin-turbocharged and direct-injected 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder that we liked so much in our long-term 135i.

In any case I believe that they are talking about in inlet for the Z4 being different, which it very much is. In any case I'm not the one getting all torn up over this, and I'm not going to. If you can show me a part number difference or a physical
Photograph, and not a quote from a magazine then of course I'm going to assume it's the same. I have nothing showing me otherwise at this point other than people calling me names on the Internet.

[SUBIMMER]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

I know the pistons are different than what is in a N55. That's for sure. I just don't think they are different than any other forged N54 piston. I mean, these pistons are pretty dang good.

Edit: read, I just saw pistons on the post I quoted, missed rings all together. Rings are very possible. That is an easy change that could have been for many reasons. Different manufacturer, etc, etc.

i once dated identical twins....one had perfect teeth and the other could eat an apple through a tennis racket ....but hey,they were identical...hehehe

[JHOOPS2]

Look, I'm not here to make enemies, more am I saying that the 1-series M isn't a better car than the 135i. I'm just not going to jump up and down in my seat to say that the engine is anything other than what it is until PROOF shows me otherwise.

[SUBIMMER]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

Look, I'm not here to make enemies, more am I saying that the 1-series M isn't a better car than the 135i. I'm just not going to jump up and down in my seat to say that the engine is anything other than what it is until PROOF shows me otherwise.

you meen you're NOT saying the 1m is a better car...?

[JHOOPS2]

LOL, stupid iPhone...nor, not more..

Freudian slip

[adrean8j]

The 1M is simply a better 135i....and that is what it was intended to be...but it isn't better enough for many people that own tuned 135i's to trade/sell their cars for it. I think the OP wrote his question for this very reason....

[SUBIMMER]

1M vs 135i .........engines aside,how many laps around a technical course would it take to bring out each of these two amigos strenghts and weakness' to justify paying extra for a factory built M car with a warranty etc etc ....even with similar acceleration numbers it's a no brainer for me 1M all the way.......I can sprint just as fast as my dog right up untill i'm winded like an old stripper....but i can still run as fast as the dog for 100 feet if you"ll let me rest for 20 minutes after each blitz..

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by SUBIMMER

1M vs 135i .........engines aside,how many laps around a technical course would it take to bring out each of these two amigos strenghts and weakness' to justify paying extra for a factory built M car with a warranty etc etc ....even with similar acceleration numbers it's a no brainer for me 1M all the way.......I can sprint just as fast as my dog right up untill i'm winded like an old stripper....but i can still run as fast as the dog for 100 feet if you"ll let me rest for 20 minutes after each blitz..

Did you even read what I wrote? Let me quote myself for you:

Originally Posted by adrean8j

The 1M is simply a better 135i....and that is what it was intended to be...but it isn't better enough for many people that own tuned 135i's to trade/sell their cars for it. I think the OP wrote his question for this very reason....

See the highlighted portion??? I have many laps around the track in my tuned 135i with zero limp modes, zero HPFP replacements, zero real problems....could I use a bit more suspension tuning? Yes...but it is dollars to donuts compared to me buying a brand-new 1M just for that....not everyone has a large amount of disposable income....for those of us that don't keep our existing tuned cars it is a no-brainer....almost EVERYONE that gives your lame argument have either A. Disposable income or B. Never owned a 135i, let alone a tuned one.....

[JHOOPS2]

Better question. How many of the 1-Series M Coupe's will be driven as intended?

[JHOOPS2]

My perfect 1M would be basically the same thing, but with a real S motor. Preferably a NA 3.2L with 12.5:1CR, direct injection, and aggressive cams making around 300-320hp on pump gas, rev to around 8,200 rpm and weigh an even 3,000 LBs. Then I would be really excited about it.

You can't tell at all that my first Bimmer was an E30 can you...?