Can those with 1Ms compare to JB3?

[SUBIMMER]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

Did you even read what I wrote? Let me quote myself for you:



See the highlighted portion??? I have many laps around the track in my tuned 135i with zero limp modes, zero HPFP replacements, zero real problems....could I use a bit more suspension tuning? Yes...but it is dollars to donuts compared to me buying a brand-new 1M just for that....not everyone has a large amount of disposable income....for those of us that don't keeping our existing tuned cars is a no-brainer....almost EVERYONE that gives your lame argument have either A. Disposable income or B. Never owned a 135i, let alone a tuned one.....

unless you bought your 135 used and spent only kids money on fluff upgrades, its rather easy to nudge a well loaded 135's price to the 1m's....allbeit in a timely streched out manner

[SUBIMMER]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

My perfect 1M would be basically the same thing, but with a real S motor. Preferably a NA 3.2L with 12.5:1CR, direct injection, and aggressive cams making around 300-320hp on pump gas, rev to around 8,200 rpm and weigh an even 3,000 LBs. Then I would be really excited about it.

100 percent agree

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by SUBIMMER

unless you bought your 135 used and spent only kids money on fluff upgrades, its rather easy to nudge a well loaded 135's price to the 1m's....allbeit in a timely streched out manner

That isn't in dispute and I agree (the total for all of my upgrades would definitely put me into a 1M and I could probably wing the difference to get a 1M as well)....but for those of us that have done it in a timely stretched out manner, trading "up" for a 1M with minimal performance gain versus our already tuned cars is something we are less likely to be inclined to do. Seriously I would love to see someone drive my car and then drive the 1M and tell me it is faster....even around the track with minimum suspension upgrades.....

[SUBIMMER]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

That isn't in dispute and I agree (the total for all of my upgrades would definitely put me into a 1M and I could probably wing the difference to get a 1M as well)....but for those of us that have done it in a timely stretched out manner, trading "up" for a 1M with minimal performance gain versus our already tuned cars is something we are less likely to be inclined to do. Seriously I would love to see someone drive my car and then drive the 1M and tell me it is faster....even around the track with minimum suspension upgrades.....

maybe its because of all the mods on my friggin subaru with all the possible fitment issues and sqweeks and sqwables and such and such that make a prepared factory car feel more apealing to me ....often times the mods work out great for some time ,then you have to adjust something or reorder something else.....the peace of mind that comes with buying a 1m fore me is priceless...btw i'm a concrete foundations contractor in canada and i have been working at it since i'm 17 , ankle deep in shit all year round ,i'm no rich man but i know value when i see it......i think..

[adrean8j]

^^^No I get it...I do...but I own a '08 with 50k miles and don't have a single big issue....for you I can understand...you are in the market for a NEW car with you old car being 7 years old I can understand.....but for someone like myself do you think it is worth the extra $25k+ I would pay for minimal performance gains?

[RnmEvo9]

Sorry for the offtopic, but adrean I am curious of what your full mod list is on your 135i if you don't mind saying?

I do agree though, it would be a waste for me to trade up my tuned 135i for a 1M.

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

The 1M is simply a better 135i....and that is what it was intended to be...but it isn't better enough for many people that own tuned 135i's to trade/sell their cars for it. I think the OP wrote his question for this very reason....

Actually I wasnt trying to determine if it is or "isnt better enough" to trade up for it. Thats subjective, I plan on getting a 1M even if I dont sell the 135, and Im actually planning on adding even another car to the garage later this summer too (Ill decide that after one of the factory tours I take this summer in Europe).

I just wanted to know how the thrust, power, etc feels because everyone is ranting about it but I feel that those who go from a tuned car or even a car just running a piggyback with map 3 or 5 will be somewhat disappointed. I thought maybe there is a slim chance that the M actually will impress across the board and wanted clarification. This way I go into it with more realistic impressions.

I feel like I know the real answer, I just wanted to hear it from someone that experienced both cars first hand. In the end as I stated previously the point is moot because anyone with a piggyback or flash can just add that to the M and be back where they were in their 135.

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by Papethova

Actually I wasnt trying to determine if it is or "isnt better enough" to trade up for it. Thats subjective, I plan on getting a 1M even if I dont sell the 135, and Im actually planning on adding even another car to the garage later this summer too (Ill decide that after one of the factory tours I take this summer in Europe).

Well I KNOW most of us on here would LOVE to have that unnamed last vehicle
You are the reason I added the "disposable" income disclaimer to those that make the argument FOR getting a 1M even though they already have a tuned 135i

Originally Posted by Papethova

I feel like I know the real answer, I just wanted to hear it from someone that experienced both cars first hand. In the end as I stated previously the point is moot because anyone with a piggyback or flash can just add that to the M and be back where they were in their 135.

True...but I am sure all of us would like to see that comparison test though...would be interesting...

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

It all looks the same. The 1-Series M is using the latest hardware the was found on the 12/09 and later N54 engine.

I noticed today that Autoweek specifically wrote the intake MANIFOLD is different between the 1 series and 1M. That might be where the confusion was with the intakes looking the same in the pics.

[adrean8j]

I thought that was what he might be talking about as well...but (at least on RealOEM) the part numbers are currently listed as the same. I might try to give Dan a call tomorrow and see if he can look up the part numbers for me so we can verify.

[Ian///M]

LOL...It was only a matter of time before 135i owners, having been king of the hill, are now knocked off by the superior 1M.

I bought a 135i in Jan, knowing I could get the 1M if I waited. However the $ difference didn't warrant the trade off in performance. If you spend $4k on wheels/tires, tune and suspension on a 135i you'll have a brilliant car...a touch behind a 1M though.

The 1M looks fantastic too with the quad pipes and flared arches :-)... i'd love one, but a 135i with performance mods does very nicely!

[crozetian]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

.... The engine was already tweaked and put on a vehicle before it went into the 1M...its called 335is

Doesn't the 335is have additional oil and radiator cooling not found on the standard 335? I've seen no reference to those on the 1M, although you'd think they would be there since BMW seems to expect many 1M's to see track time.

[Chris-507]

Hello guys,

Could you tell me if the internal engine (Piston, connecting rods, crankshafts) are forged?

[Kurt_OH]

I agree - the performance increment from a stock 135i to 1M probably isn't worth the cost to upgrade. Certainly the benefit is even smaller if you have added a tune and maybe some suspension parts.

But if you don't already have a 135, it's an easy case to make that the 1M is worth the incremental price. The brakes, suspension, diff, body, slight tune ... no way you duplicate that for the price of 1M minus 135.

[JJSchmooze]

Originally Posted by HondaGoneRogue

Aaaannnnnnddddd here we go.........

+1

[JHOOPS2]

Originally Posted by crozetian

Doesn't the 335is have additional oil and radiator cooling not found on the standard 335? I've seen no reference to those on the 1M, although you'd think they would be there since BMW seems to expect many 1M's to see track time.

The 335is has additional oil cooler, but the 135i comes with the auxiliary oil cooler standard, basically putting it on par mechanically speaking with the 335is. It just doesn't have overboost.

[formula M]

Juice Box <does not equal> Car

I'm sorry but I fail to understand the premise of this thread. Are you asking if Terry Burger has a team of M engineers with him, to pseudo-tune the N54? Are you people suggesting, that somehow his hack (ie: piggy back), is better than what BMW Engineers can do.. even when terry & shiv are un able to access all the ALL the engine's perameters..?

A tune is more than about horsepower & terry & shiv do their best, but (again) they are not engineers & neither of them have control over the engine, just a small variances. Thus BMW engineers have fundamentally more to work with on their tune.

So, a piggybacked 135i will never equal a 1M in terms of power delivery, because piggybacks are inherently flawed, as they are not as in-depth as a real tune.



More phun added to ur 135i... aye. But no, you cannot compare JB add-on piggy back, to a full blown M tune. The comparison is apples to oranges.

[135IBMW]

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486591

[Papethova]

Originally Posted by formula M

Juice Box <does not equal> Car

I'm sorry but I fail to understand the premise of this thread. Are you asking if Terry Burger has a team of M engineers with him, to pseudo-tune the N54? Are you people suggesting, that somehow his hack (ie: piggy back), is better than what BMW Engineers can do.. even when terry & shiv are un able to access all the ALL the engine's perameters..?

A tune is more than about horsepower & terry & shiv do their best, but (again) they are not engineers & neither of them have control over the engine, just a small variances. Thus BMW engineers have fundamentally more to work with on their tune.

So, a piggybacked 135i will never equal a 1M in terms of power delivery, because piggybacks are inherently flawed, as they are not as in-depth as a real tune.



More phun added to ur 135i... aye. But no, you cannot compare JB add-on piggy back, to a full blown M tune. The comparison is apples to oranges.

Im not comparing a tuned 135 with a 1M car for car. I merely wanted to know how the thrust of the car feels.

Does it accelerate like a tuned 135 or not? more thrust? less thrust? Simply a seat of the pants gauge of how the car feels. Would these owners feel as impressed with that aspect of the car after experiencing a tuned N54 or would they feel let down? Nothing more.

[Ian///M]

A tuned N54 would be faster than a stock 1M. Don't think there is any argument there, just look at the numbers. Wait for the 1M tunes though...unless DME on the 1M restricts tuning

[JHOOPS2]

The DME won't restrict tuning, however the same things that restrict the 135i will restrict the 1M.

[clived]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

The DME won't restrict tuning, however the same things that restrict the 135i will restrict the 1M.

Actually, I believe their is an expectation that BMW may well up the level of tuning protection. Again.