Michelin PSS 255/35 rear tires rubbing over bumps

Jockey · 11-29-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DrGadget

... I think you mean negative camber so the top is in and the bottom of the wheel is out ... not a neat description I am sorry to say.

I guess yours is lowered. I am running 255/35/18 Yokohamas and as an earlier photo shows, they are square and w-i-d-e, but no rubbing. Dack stated the same thing with PS2s (as you had). Very odd.

That's what I meant, negative. But when I had my alignment done, the back right was at -2.4 (which was rubbing the worse) and they put back into spec (-1.8) and is now rubbing much less. Weird.

Adam135 · 11-30-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jockey

Still a slight rubbing after an alignment, oh well. I guess I can live with it.

Just had my alignment. Same results as you - seems a bit better but it's still there. It only rubs when hitting large dips or bumps in the road. On my way to work there are only 1 or 2 places where it happens.

Jaguar66 · 12-01-2012, 09:08 PM

I just replaced my rear Michelin PS2 255 x 35 x 18's on my Alufelgen CS7s with new same spec Michelin Super Sports. I have rubbing on the outside of the right side rear tire against the inside lining of fender on bumps/dips. Left side is OK. Bummer. If I had known, I would have stayed with PS2s.

lastMleft · 12-01-2012, 09:22 PM

I'm running 225/40 255/35 Mitch Super Sport and I'm not rubing.

Jockey · 12-19-2012, 09:18 PM

After putting about 400 miles on these tires, the rubbing has decreased significantly. So that's good.

Adam135 · 12-20-2012, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jockey

After putting about 400 miles on these tires, the rubbing has decreased significantly. So that's good.

Same. Still happens for me if I hit decent sized bumps in the road at moderate speed.

Jockey · 12-20-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam135

Same. Still happens for me if I hit decent sized bumps in the road at moderate speed.

Ditto

TS135i · 01-09-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DrGadget

What often happens is that when they take the wheels off they don't realise there is no hub and so when the last bolt comes out the wheel falls on the disc brake backing plate thereby distorting it. Then you get a noise which is erroneously blamed on the new tyres.

I've just put Yokohama ADVAN SPORT 225/255 tyres on stock MSport wheels and have no issues. I'm running 42 psi front, and 44 psi rear. Lovely smooth and quiet ride.

Could that be because Diesel suspension are set higher than the Msport 135i? so you have more hight to clear? is this true?

DrGadget · 01-09-2013, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TS135i

Could that be because Diesel suspension are set higher than the Msport 135i? so you have more hight to clear? is this true?

It could well be this, but I don't think so. I tend to rely on the expert in these matters -- Dackelone.

Pol · 01-11-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rukuss

I'm running 225/40 255/35 Mitch Super Sport and I'm not rubing.

Suspension ??? Because I am considering on my Breyton GTS-R's 18-8.5, Michelin PSS 255-18 in the rear with an upgrade to the BMW Performance suspension.
On the OEM suspension now and my Performance 313 set with Michelin SP3 255-18 there is no rubbing at all. Therefore I fear an upgrade to Performance suspension.

lastMleft · 01-11-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pol

Suspension ??? Because I am considering on my Breyton GTS-R's 18-8.5, Michelin PSS 255-18 in the rear with an upgrade to the BMW Performance suspension.
On the OEM suspension now and my Performance 313 set with Michelin SP3 255-18 there is no rubbing at all. Therefore I fear an upgrade to Performance suspension.

Hey Pol, i have the performance springs with no rub on 225/255 Mich PSS, but I'm looking into coilovers, I can get lower with coils and no issues, good luck

Pol · 01-13-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rukuss

Hey Pol, i have the performance springs with no rub on 225/255 Mich PSS, but I'm looking into coilovers, I can get lower with coils and no issues, good luck

Thanks Rukuss.

capri · 03-12-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spesler

Add me to the list. 225/255 on stock m sport susp and wheels, rubs at the right rear over significant bumps/dips at speed. I've only had the tires on for about 200mi, so I'm interested to see if it lessens over time.

which tires are these ? michelins ?

capri · 03-12-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by spesler

Yep. Michelin Pilot Super Sports.

Truth be told, they are so much better than the run flats that I have a hard time being really upset about the rubbing.

In what ways are they better ? or so much better ? how's the ride comfort ? I'm looking forward to replacing my rf with the Bridgestons S-04 pole position of the same size 225/255s.

Adam135 · 03-12-2013, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by spesler

Yep. Michelin Pilot Super Sports.

Truth be told, they are so much better than the run flats that I have a hard time being really upset about the rubbing.

Yep, all I can figure is they changed the size of this tire without telling anyone. The rubbing will get better over time. I hardly hear it anymore except if I hit some really large dips in the road. I'll likely go with 245s next time.

Jai2008 · 04-13-2013, 04:06 PM

Just installed PSS 255/35/18 on rear running 34 PSI, no rubbing so far. Drove into some pot holes just to see. Msport suspension, everything is stock on 261 rims. Had Hankooks V12 before and these are significantly wider.

i128 · 06-10-2013, 10:09 PM

Chimin' in ; 225/40/18 & 255/35/18 PSS mounted yesterday. Wheels VMR +40 & +45 - sport suspension

I came from Hankook v12' in the same sizes (which btw doesn't compare to the PSS)

New PSS REARs are rubbing on dips taken at moderate to higher speeds. - Rubbing is harder if I have a front passenger.

The hankook's only rubbed when I had rear passengers and the dips were taken extra hard.

Im hoping the "400mile rule" will apply to mine too...lol

ptack · 06-11-2013, 07:55 AM

You can probably get a slight fender roll that will eliminate the rubbing and not be noticeable in any other way.

i128 · 06-11-2013, 08:25 AM

when you guys speak of "fender roll" does it mean widen/stretch or pull the fender out, or is it actually curling the metal?

Im asking, because on older japanese cars, (which I've owned quite a few several years back) "rolling" the fenders simply meant bending "the lip" of the fender that curls into the wheel well. (see picture)

however taken a quick look at the e82 fender, and it doesn't seem as easily "bendable"...

Eyeman · 06-11-2013, 09:56 AM

i128, rolling is what you are showing above. You are correct, there is very little to roll on our front fenders. Then in the rear that inner lips is much stiffer than in typical cars, especially as you get around to both sides. After you get it rolled, the area that will still usually rub is in the rear of the fender where the bumper connects. You can't roll that area.

So what many go further and do is they "pull" their fenders which is bending the fenders further out. When you do this much in the front you'll tend to get a slight fitment issue between the fender and the bumper.

Another option is "trimming" the inner fender. That's where you cut out the inner fender lip. This will gain the most space. I probably should have went with trimming since I still rub but I was scared to try it.

Btw, with minor rubbing, it's usually just that inner liner that's rubbing, most cut it out. I cut mine out on the fender side up close to the top of the arch and the left over liner still sits in there nicely.

i128 · 06-11-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Eyeman

i128, rolling is what you are showing above. You are correct, there is very little to roll on our front fenders. Then in the rear that inner lips is much stiffer than in typical cars, especially as you get around to both sides. After you get it rolled, the area that will still usually rub is in the rear of the fender where the bumper connects. You can't roll that area.

So what many go further and do is they "pull" their fenders which is bending the fenders further out. When you do this much in the front you'll tend to get a slight fitment issue between the fender and the bumper.

Another option is "trimming" the inner fender. That's where you cut out the inner fender lip. This will gain the most space. I probably should have went with trimming since I still rub but I was scared to try it.

Btw, with minor rubbing, it's usually just that inner liner that's rubbing, most cut it out. I cut mine out on the fender side up close to the top of the arch and the left over liner still sits in there nicely.

Thanks for the tips!

I will try and see if with some driving they"ll "settle-in"

If not i"ll have to try option 3, trimming the liner.... it seems like the less invasive surgery...lol, plus probably will cost the least if I mess it up...

UsualSuspect · 06-11-2013, 09:44 PM

35s are too much. You need 30s.

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