Evolve Automotive Experience

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

You are running Supersprint headers correct?

Correct.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

Correct.

There is a decent chance the 02 sensors were damaged in the swap, it would hardly be the first time. I did it myself when I changed to the Supersprints, as I said on page 1 of this thread in April.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

There is a decent chance the 02 sensors were damaged in the swap, it would hardly be the first time. I did it myself when I changed to the Supersprints, as I said on page 1 of this thread in April.

Highly unlikely, that happened almost 10 months ago. If the sensor was damaged, it would have been prominent much sooner.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

Highly unlikely, that happened almost 10 months ago. If the sensor was damaged, it would have been prominent much sooner.

Mine didn't fail immediately after install either, it was shortly before my manifold swap. I now have more miles on the new one with the original.

Either way, to get your car sorted you need to replace the sensor. Regardless of which tuner you go with, that is going to have to happen.

[MarkkyyMan]

It will be replaced before I go with Active.

Question Stig, have you ever data logged with your tune to see how rich you are running?

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

It will be replaced before I go with Active.

Question Stig, have you ever data logged with your tune to see how rich you are running?

Had a sniffer on it while dynoing, was operating in a completely normal range except when it pulled timing at the top end (because uber hot mid july day).

I'll be ordering a wideband this week, though, for road tuning purposes.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Had a sniffer on it while dynoing, was operating in a completely normal range except when it pulled timing at the top end (because uber hot mid july day).

I'll be ordering a wideband this week, though, for road tuning purposes.

Define normal range.

Post some data up. All of the 02 data logged on my end has been rich.



Edit: I think many people are making a first impression error when it comes to this company. They have made tunes for a car or two and some people act like they are the best thing since sliced bread. They have had issues in the past with 135's, it is very possible that they have issues with the N52 as well. See data I've logged in past posts. They were unable to create a solid tune for my car after 9 months. They now refuse to refund me for a service they never delievered. I made this thread to inform forum users of these extremely unethical customer service tactics they are employing. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm just sharing my experience.

[Taskmaster]

Can you post a few WOT runs for me to graph. I'd like to see the difference between this and a AA car (when you change)

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Can you post a few WOT runs for me to graph. I'd like to see the difference between this and a AA car (when you change)

I have an email from Salman stating they only tuned the 02 sensor, with all the issues they had they never gave me a "performance" tune. AA will blow their's out of the water, plus in all honesty I don't feel comfortable driving at WOT with Evolves tune after seeing the data logged.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

I have an email from Salman stating they only tuned the 02 sensor, with all the issues they had they never gave me a "performance" tune. AA will blow their's out of the water, plus in all honesty I don't feel comfortable driving at WOT with Evolves tune after seeing the data logged.

I could live with a CEL if I had enhanced performance. Didn't they send the files to the flash loader?

And if they didn't do a performance tune, it's basically your car running stock in + headers. Nothing bad will happen, just crappy gas mileage.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

I could live with a CEL if I had enhanced performance. Didn't they send the files to the flash loader?

And if they didn't do a performance tune, it's basically your car running stock in + headers. Nothing bad will happen, just crappy gas mileage.

They never sent a "performance" tune at all. Salman asked me to data log again & then he never sent it. Another reason I asked for my money back.

Sorry, with it running rich on this sub par tune I don't really feel like blowing another 02. I will give initial impressions though once I make the switch.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

They never sent a "performance" tune at all. Salman asked me to data log again & then he never sent it. Another reason I asked for my money back.

Sorry, with it running rich on this sub par tune I don't really feel like blowing another 02. I will give initial impressions though once I make the switch.

Sorry about that man.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Sorry about that man.

Thanks, I just hope no one else gets screwed out of $800.00 dollars by them.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Mine didn't fail immediately after install either, it was shortly before my manifold swap. I now have more miles on the new one with the original.

Either way, to get your car sorted you need to replace the sensor. Regardless of which tuner you go with, that is going to have to happen.

Question: Why would it need replaced if going with Active?

[631twentyeighteye]

I had a primary o2 sensor die a few months after going catless as well. It happens. All my issues came down to o2 sensor issues since they're so damn finicky.

I'm happy with AA and i've been in touch with them recently to try a new version of their tune.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

Question: Why would it need replaced if going with Active?

They are disabling the 02 sensors? Wtf?

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

I had a primary o2 sensor die a few months after going catless as well. It happens. All my issues came down to o2 sensor issues since they're so damn finicky.

Yup. Part of why I think blaming Evolve here is silly.

And to address another statement above, they have tuned more than "a car or two". I don't consider them to be the only option in tuning in the slightest, but pointless and baseless misinformation isn't helping anyone. They have developed E39 and E9x M3(and more) exhaust components that Supersprint builds for them, they have developed improved CSL intakes for the E46 M3 and E85 Z4 built by an F1 carbon fiber supplier, they have tunes for most BMW models from the E39 to present, and so on and so forth. It is hardly amateur hour over there.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

I had a primary o2 sensor die a few months after going catless as well. It happens. All my issues came down to o2 sensor issues since they're so damn finicky.

I'm happy with AA and i've been in touch with them recently to try a new version of their tune.

Does AA have a new header tune available?

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

Question: Why would it need replaced if going with Active?

To be fair, a lot of the fuel trims and tuning is going to based off what the O2 sensor is reading. So if the sensor needs to be replaced, do it - THEN ask again for the retune and go from there. You'll need them no matter what (and since you already paid for it, see it through till the end)

[631twentyeighteye]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Does AA have a new header tune available?

I guess so. I've been told there's an update and that i should receive it soon.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

They are disabling the 02 sensors? Wtf?



Yup. Part of why I think blaming Evolve here is silly.

And to address another statement above, they have tuned more than "a car or two". I don't consider them to be the only option in tuning in the slightest, but pointless and baseless misinformation isn't helping anyone. They have developed E39 and E9x M3(and more) exhaust components that Supersprint builds for them, they have developed improved CSL intakes for the E46 M3 and E85 Z4 built by an F1 carbon fiber supplier, they have tunes for most BMW models from the E39 to present, and so on and so forth. It is hardly amateur hour over there.

When I mentioned a car or two what I meant to say was a platform or two, my fault on the wrong choice of words. Just because they are great on one or two platforms does not mean they will be good across all. Evolve has had issues with the 135s/335s in the past, perhaps they are having similar issues with N52's. This notion really isn't that far fetched, no one else has logged N52 Evolve data or shown AFR's.

Building exhausts with valves in it isn't innovative and cutting edge. Having another company build you a cool CSL air box doesn't earn engineering points either. Most of the R&D for the CSL airbox was done by BMW Engineers with Mechanical Engineering degrees who are very knowledgeable in thermodynamics and fluid mechanics. Evolves small changes to increase airflow isn't as credible as your making it out to be.




I am planning on replacing the 02 sensors as previously stated. I was just wondering, isn't A.A. shutting them off?

For several months I have been informing Salman that the tune is running rich. The 02 sensors (see attached) are reading 0.8 Voltages on each bank for sensor 2. The guy I know that was nice enough let me use his Snap On diagnostic tool pointed that out each time. Usually this voltage occurs because the correlation is suggesting that the AFR is running on the rich side. The burble when I let off the accelerator is a violent pop of unburnt fuel, again this was occurring before the 02 heater codes ever came up. After 2,000 miles on this latest flash the car is throwing codes which weren't thrown in the 8 months prior. After the 02 is replaced, this will still definitively be a reoccurring issue.

I am done with Evolve, after 9+months and an awful tune it obviously is amateur hour over there. I have given them MORE than enough time to fix the situation or refund the money & they can't do either. I guess the "new" return policy is: drag out the situation until the customer becomes tired of the crap and goes elsewhere. I ordered the A.A. tune and flash tool, so far they have been nothing but helpful.

I'm just considering the $800.00 bucks a lesson learned, hopefully no one else makes the same mistake.

(1st Image= Factory DME tune with SS headers
2nd Image= 1st Evolve tune with SS headers
3rd Image= Current Evolve tune with SS headers)

[TheSt|G]

Just as an example, their headers for the E39 M5 are a significant bump in power at all RPMs over the Supersprint in house design. Exhaust companies in general have a hard time matching Supersprint, and to significantly exceed them is pretty nutty.

But hey, just bent pipe amirite?

[hoki06]

I can't imagine how frustrated you are. I'm sure I'd be fuming if I had to deal with all the issues you've had recently.

As an outsider looking in and not taking sides.. why not replace the O2 sensors now and then monitor the tune over the next 1-2k miles? If you're right about Evolve's tune being rich and killing O2 sensors, then you'll confirm your thoughts. But theres also a chance that your O2s got damaged/faulty along the way and a new set might be the cure. With fresh, new O2 sensors you can continue troubleshooting and remove a known bad component from the equation.

Just my .02, I hope you get it resolved quickly.