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View Poll Results: Should there be a BMW ///M2 CSL
Should BMW ///M offer a CSL variant for the M2? 41 65.08%
Should a M2 CSL be bare bones with CF and Cloth 28 44.44%
Should a M2 CSL have exterior colour options 26 41.27%
Would you seriously consider a M2 CSL if they built it? 41 65.08%
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      02-06-2013, 12:12 PM   #23
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Has there been any luck with coding to remove said "Active sound"?
Easy: it only takes to unplug the sound symposer device (on the top shelf - above the audio amplifier) and the "Active Sound Design" is brain dead. To revive: plug in again (source: http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=786318)

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Note the sound difference (unplugging is a bit like removing silicone breast implants...):
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that you lose all speaker capabilities when you unplug the "sound symposer device".
If so, then I'd like to be able to code out the module that animates engine noise.

I prefer natural, NO IMPLANTS!

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Easy: it only takes to unplug the sound symposer device (on the top shelf - above the audio amplifier) and the "Active Sound Design" is brain dead. To revive: plug in again (source: http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=786318)

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Note the sound difference (unplugging is a bit like removing silicone breast implants...):

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      02-06-2013, 12:49 PM   #26
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that you lose all speaker capabilities when you unplug the "sound symposer device".
If so, then I'd like to be able to code out the module that animates engine noise.
I prefer natural, NO IMPLANTS!
You're correct. It was confirmed by both the M135i and M5 owners who performed the experiment, that by unplugging/disconnecting the "Sound Symposer" also the car's audio system appeared to be disabled.

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      02-06-2013, 01:19 PM   #27
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M550d got same system too. So only M-series got it, very special...
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      02-06-2013, 03:03 PM   #28
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Not sure if you noticed I put it under the heading of "Engine"?.
You are right. I didn't. One could still argue that, since the starting baselines are different, the 1M would always stay ahead of the 135 in a tuning faceoff.
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      02-06-2013, 04:56 PM   #29
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You are right. I didn't. One could still argue that, since the starting baselines are different, the 1M would always stay ahead of the 135 in a tuning faceoff.
This topic has been discussed thoroughly but to sum it up they both have the same engine so they have the same potential.

I doubt anyone buys these cars and keeps them stock, for long. Such a waste to do that.

135i MT v 1M with same mods should be even, although the 1M will have a slight advantage with the LSD. However a 135i steptronic with same mods will eat a 1M in a straight line, all day too.

The difference comes down to the transmission. If you want to win consistently the auto is faster. I'm not saying its better or more fun, but it's consistently quicker.

In a straight line.
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Being the OP I feel the need to bring this back to OT

Assuming the M2 WILL exist.

I want a factory order Clubsport option that has some/all of the following:
  • Lighter wider wheels/tyres (cup tyres maybe)
  • Better brakes
  • lightweight seats, al la the CRT M3
  • limited colours
  • lots of real worthwhile CF, door cards, interior inserts, boot-roof-bonnet
  • option cage w/rear seat delete
  • optimised tune (greater/better KW + Nm)
  • a6 speed g/box
  • a REAL exhaust note, not audio crap piped sound

That will do for starters.

AND BEST OF ALL, A EURO DELIVERY PROGRAMME FOR ANYONE WORLD WIDE WHO WANTS TO DO IT!!!!!!!!
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I want a hatchback variant. that would make me very happy.

and please stay away from the headlights of the 2012 + series 1. they are disproportionate in size and make the car look dull.
I thought they WERE making an 'm1' or whatever they'll call it?

Ed: that is to say, if they're making an m2, an m1 should be on the cards?

Looking at the s3/rs3, the ultra hot hatch market is there.
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BMW will never make one, as we know with the 1M, BMW cannot make a car more desirable/better performing than the M3 period.
That's what confuses me

They have no choice but to make the lower number m's the ridiculously fast models.. If they make one

They already have the m135i, and m235i upcoming. There's no way you'd buy an m2 that would have less power or potential power than a 1/235.. Or less than the old 1m for that matter.

Betwen the n55 and s55, there's not much room, and (imo) no roomfor a high power 4cyl.
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That's what confuses me

They have no choice but to make the lower number m's the ridiculously fast models.. If they make one

They already have the m135i, and m235i upcoming. There's no way you'd buy an m2 that would have less power or potential power than a 1/235.. Or less than the old 1m for that matter.

Betwen the n55 and s55, there's not much room, and (imo) no roomfor a high power 4cyl.
Here's to the M2 having the S55
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      02-07-2013, 02:06 AM   #34
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If I were to want a M2 and retire the 1M (aka Adriana) what would it have to have and be like?????

Everything the 1M already is and 40% more!!!!
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I rather see a new M2 mass production car. [...] 6 cil turbo engine
Nope. Mark my words: the M2 will get a 4 cylinder layout. Confirmed already in the the Summer of 2010 that the M Division was already working on it. Forthcoming M3 will be based on the N55.

"The time window for this car [1M] [was] extremely tight and originally enthusiasm was not apparent until Dr. Kay Segler came to the M Division.
We had initially toyed with the idea of a 1M when we were conceiving the Coupe and did work with evaluation models then using the engine from the E46 and the upgraded E46 CSL engine but it proved to be too heavy for the car.
Originally in the early days of marketing the standard 135i was originally meant to be an M model.
The 1M that stands before you now has had possibly the most progressive stage from thought-production turnaround for a BMW. There had to be a lot of arm-twisting in the BMW Board because of the tight window between generation 1 and generation 2 of the Coupe. The proposal was greenlighted when BMW decided to use the Coupe model for the BMW eDrive evaluation. Therefore slightly extending its life cycle.
When I first saw the car it was in a design studio as a full scale clay-model but since then some designers ideas have to make way for aerodynamics and engineering. The initial engine proposal was the N55 but they were having issues that cannot be solved within the time window. BMW greenlighted this car in July 2009, now over a year later we see it as it [is] intended, although testing still commences until the launch. Valvetronic was the main cause of the time delay but BMW have spent some time on this and are using the N55 as a basis for the next M3.
The best way to describe the engine of the 1M is a "Hybrid" but in the original form of Hybrid, nothing to do with "alternatives", but it is not a straightforward transplant.
There is a lot of this car that will carry over for the next generation 1M in which that car will switch to four cylinders to which the M Division engineers are already working on the basics without time constraints or restrictions. E82 1M is showing what is possible in a small time-frame. F22 1M [M2] will show what is possible once you do not have restrictions.
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If I were to want a M2 and retire the 1M (aka Adriana) what would it have to have and be like?????

Everything the 1M already is and 40% more!!!!
40% more weight. Yeah.

M2 a 4 cylinder maybe? If it gets a 300+ BHP superturbo engine plus it's about <1400kgs, I might give it a try, but come on: 6 cylinders sound 100% more fantastic than any 4 potter and is also very BMWish imo.

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The 328i 2litre is my bet, with mods? That's maybe why it isn't an option in the new 1er?
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Theoretically speaking, if Mercedes is able to develop a 2 liter 4 cylinder turbo capable of matching or exceeding 1M output (at least on paper and at least for the kw/hp rather than tq) than BMW should be able to do that as well. With less weight it should better 1M and M135i straightline performance (it may remain a slight improvement) which will be good enough for most potential buyers to go with the new M2. I am not expecting a huge power/tq difference between M135i and M2 but they sure will be differentiated enough in every other area to make M2 as appealing. In a way, the same story between a 2011 135i and a 1M will likely repeat.

I believe a detuned S55 with interim output between next M3/M4 and a M135i will be the wrong choice for M2.
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Theoretically speaking, if Mercedes is able to develop a 2 liter 4 cylinder turbo capable of matching or exceeding 1M output (at least on paper and at least for the kw/hp rather than tq) than BMW should be able to do that as well. With less weight it should better 1M and M135i straightline performance (it may remain a slight improvement) which will be good enough for most potential buyers to go with the new M2. I am not expecting a huge power/tq difference between M135i and M2 but they sure will be differentiated enough in every other area to make M2 as appealing. In a way, the same story between a 2011 135i and a 1M will likely repeat.
I believe a detuned S55 with interim output between next M3/M4 and a M135i will be the wrong choice for M2.
We all agree that the future entry level ///M coupé will be the M2.

However, it seems that we all disregard or overlook the possibility that BMW also might be secretly working on a project (at least brainstorming about it) to conceive an entry level ///M hatch. Otherwise stated: the M135i taken from the ///M package level to the ///M level.

...I know, but with good intentions: Metak conceived the following render to give us a sketchpad idea on how a 1M hatch might look (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=17):

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And here's a render of how the M2 might look (posted by Dackel: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=19)

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M235 have N55 engine and 300bhp. M2 maybe got 340bhp and that like number are hard to get I4 motor, whitout turbolag and get low rpm torque like I6 engine.
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