automatic vs manual

tonee8519 · 11-17-2005, 09:17 PM

Hey guys, what is the 0-60mph time difference compared to an automatic vs manual 330i bmw?

Xens · 11-17-2005, 09:22 PM

0.3 sec by official numbers. Not a noticeable difference.

lux.sh · 11-17-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tonee8519

Hey guys, what is the 0-60mph time difference compared to an automatic vs manual 330i bmw?

why ask? (just wondering)

In my opinion, Difference will eventually get bigger and bigger once high-speed comes into play. Not to mention launch capability of manual vehicles.

If what you want maxium performance out of your vehicle, step will not be suitable for those reasons.

ben1364 · 11-18-2005, 06:04 AM

If maximum acceleration is your objective, there are several cars other than the BMW 3-Series, some for considerably less money.

davinet78 · 11-18-2005, 06:41 AM

go for manual apart from being a bit faster in acceleration is also has better fuel economy and more driver involvment.

Thomas · 11-18-2005, 06:47 AM

But there aren't that much people who can shift as fast (or faster) then the steptronic. Especially in America where everybody is used to an auto and don't have that much experience with manuals...
I love the steptronic, it's still sporty and very comfortable.

tonee8519 · 11-18-2005, 09:58 AM

do you have to learn how to drive a manual from an instructor?

thxbuff2001 · 11-18-2005, 10:05 AM

For a long drive, I dont see any difference in top speed or smoothness of ride. But for a quarter mile or for steep climb, like going to mount everest, a manual will be at an advantage. What do you think guys?

Jesse Wilson · 11-18-2005, 10:11 AM

I will never own another auto. The tranny's have practically been disposable on all the auto's I have owned before. They're are nowhere near as fun and I find them better in traffic not worse. I used to hate it when my auto trany would shift from 1st to 2nd non stop in traffic. Unless the traffic comes to a stop I can pretty much keep it in one gear the whole time with my manual.

There is nothing better then riding the RPM's as high as you want them before YOU decide to shift.

Jesse

F32Fleet · 11-18-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tonee8519

do you have to learn how to drive a manual from an instructor?

Yes...BMW requires your to pay $500 for instruction from one of their Vorlagentreiber or Master Drivers . These guys come straight from Germany, and have considerable F1/NASCAR experience.

longtran · 11-18-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Socom

Yes...BMW requires your to pay $500 for instruction from one of their Vorlagentreiber or Master Drivers . These guys come straight from Germany, and have considerable F1/NASCAR experience.

Papa13 · 11-18-2005, 01:13 PM

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I will never own another auto. The tranny's have practically been disposable on all the auto's I have owned before. They're are nowhere near as fun and I find them better in traffic not worse. I used to hate it when my auto trany would shift from 1st to 2nd non stop in traffic. Unless the traffic comes to a stop I can pretty much keep it in one gear the whole time with my manual.

There is nothing better then riding the RPM's as high as you want them before YOU decide to shift.

Jesse

Haha Thats why you pop it in Steptronic mode.. and then YOU decice when to shift.

Nemis · 11-18-2005, 01:43 PM

automatic ?? what ------ is "automatic" ???

look this smile -->

it drive Manual !!! :rocks:

David328M-Sport · 11-18-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse Wilson

There is nothing better then riding the RPM's as high as you want them before YOU decide to shift.Jesse

I agree, that's why I can put my steptronic tranny in manual override and change gears when I like as well. And then use DS or D when I dont like. Best of both worlds.

Enjoy your car.

Jesse Wilson · 11-18-2005, 03:25 PM

Steptronic schmeptronic!!!!

It's still an auto.

Jesse

Xens · 11-18-2005, 03:32 PM

The BMW steptronic is about the best conventional automatic you can get, I personally love it and thought it was incredible.

But nothing has been more fun than working the 3rd pedal and shifter, this is my first manual and I'm addicted to it like crack.

Squawks · 11-18-2005, 03:36 PM

If you're concerned with the 0-60 times down to 0.3 seconds, then obviously you're better off with a manual transmission.

ben1364 · 11-18-2005, 05:38 PM

Socom said in part, "...BMW requires your to pay $500 for instruction from one of their Vorlagentreiber or Master Drivers . These guys come straight from Germany, and have considerable F1/NASCAR experience."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++This is indeed news. There have been very few who have both NASCAR and F-1 experience. The Andrettis and AJ Foyt come to mind but I don't recall any from Germany with experience in both venues. Do you? Someone may have made the point but quoted acceleration times are logged by trined drivers. Most lay persons can achieve better straight line acceleration with modern automatic transmissions than they can with manual transmissions in otherwise similar cars. It takes a great deal of skill to achieve maximum performance from a manual while basically all it takes is a heavy foot with an automatic. Note. This doesn't apply to a '50s era automatic transmission.

ward · 11-18-2005, 06:00 PM

umm your sarcasm meter might need a new battery Ben

theclay · 11-18-2005, 06:19 PM

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umm your sarcasm meter might need a new battery Ben

Seriously Ben, there is a "Quote" button that you can push if you want to quote someone. That way you can skip the he said/she said and the +++++++++++++++++signs. Just trying to help.

David328M-Sport · 11-18-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse Wilson

Steptronic schmeptronic!!!!

It's still an auto.

Jesse

But what an auto!!! Brilliant at that too.
Cheers Jesse!!

tightie · 11-19-2005, 12:29 AM

i have auto and i messsed up
GET STICK.

11-17-2005, 09:17 PM	#1
tonee8519 Banned 51 Rep 313 Posts Drives: M4 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: vancouver iTrader: (0)	automatic vs manual Hey guys, what is the 0-60mph time difference compared to an automatic vs manual 330i bmw?
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Xens Eh 108 Rep 653 Posts Drives: Is Turbo'd Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	0.3 sec by official numbers. Not a noticeable difference.
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ben1364 Captain 14 Rep 940 Posts Drives: E90 330iA Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Georgetown, TX iTrader: (0)	If maximum acceleration is your objective, there are several cars other than the BMW 3-Series, some for considerably less money.
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Thomas Second Lieutenant 67 Rep 281 Posts Drives: G21 330e Touring Join Date: May 2005 Location: Haarlem iTrader: (0) Garage List 2022 BMW 330e Touring [0.00]	But there aren't that much people who can shift as fast (or faster) then the steptronic. Especially in America where everybody is used to an auto and don't have that much experience with manuals... I love the steptronic, it's still sporty and very comfortable.
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thxbuff2001 Dictator for Life 343 Rep 560 Posts Drives: To many Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rockwall, TX iTrader: (0)	For a long drive, I dont see any difference in top speed or smoothness of ride. But for a quarter mile or for steep climb, like going to mount everest, a manual will be at an advantage. What do you think guys?
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Jesse Wilson Lieutenant 12 Rep 409 Posts Drives: 2006 325I Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tempe, AZ iTrader: (2)	I will never own another auto. The tranny's have practically been disposable on all the auto's I have owned before. They're are nowhere near as fun and I find them better in traffic not worse. I used to hate it when my auto trany would shift from 1st to 2nd non stop in traffic. Unless the traffic comes to a stop I can pretty much keep it in one gear the whole time with my manual. There is nothing better then riding the RPM's as high as you want them before YOU decide to shift. Jesse
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Nemis Private First Class 1 Rep 153 Posts Drives: 330d -> 550Nm@1750 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: italy iTrader: (0)	automatic ?? what ------ is "automatic" ??? look this smile --> it drive Manual !!! :rocks: __________________ i'm sorry for my errors and my bad english 330d attiva, SG, dakota Terra, 162 18", xeno als, pcd front & rear, Navi Pro with MP3, rear tint, sun roof, sport pak , sport seat , M shift knob...
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Jesse Wilson Lieutenant 12 Rep 409 Posts Drives: 2006 325I Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tempe, AZ iTrader: (2)	Steptronic schmeptronic!!!! It's still an auto. Jesse
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Xens Eh 108 Rep 653 Posts Drives: Is Turbo'd Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	The BMW steptronic is about the best conventional automatic you can get, I personally love it and thought it was incredible. But nothing has been more fun than working the 3rd pedal and shifter, this is my first manual and I'm addicted to it like crack.
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ben1364 Captain 14 Rep 940 Posts Drives: E90 330iA Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Georgetown, TX iTrader: (0)	Socom said in part, "...BMW requires your to pay $500 for instruction from one of their Vorlagentreiber or Master Drivers . These guys come straight from Germany, and have considerable F1/NASCAR experience." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++This is indeed news. There have been very few who have both NASCAR and F-1 experience. The Andrettis and AJ Foyt come to mind but I don't recall any from Germany with experience in both venues. Do you? Someone may have made the point but quoted acceleration times are logged by trined drivers. Most lay persons can achieve better straight line acceleration with modern automatic transmissions than they can with manual transmissions in otherwise similar cars. It takes a great deal of skill to achieve maximum performance from a manual while basically all it takes is a heavy foot with an automatic. Note. This doesn't apply to a '50s era automatic transmission.
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ward Major General 155 Rep 6,158 Posts Drives: F Join Date: May 2005 Location: T iTrader: (0)	umm your sarcasm meter might need a new battery Ben
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