question about RR stuff?

[gmag21]

The mods I really want are..

Dinan 2 OR JB3 (cant decide) BMS Intake, RR Catless Dp's.

Now thats not to too many mods is it? Anything seem up for risk by going with that?

[esses]

Originally Posted by gmag21

The mods I really want are.. Dinan 2 OR JB3 (cant decide) BMS Intake, RR Catless Dp's.
Now thats not to too many mods is it? Anything seem up for risk by going with that?

Well, as this thread has revealed there are two extremes at play.

Extreme 1: If you install those mods and your high pressure fuel pump goes out you should be on the hook for all costs of repairing and replacing anything and everything that goes wrong with your car. "Those are comprehensive mods, and you must pay to play."

Extreme 2: If you install those mods and your high pressure fuel pump goes out you should remove your mods and get the pump replaced under warranty. "The fuel pump is a known issue and your mods are within engine tolerances, the dealer should cover it."

Be aware that 1) your mods may cause parts to fail, 2) your mods may have nothing to do with parts failing, 3) if the dealer knows you have mods they have a contractual obligation to report the mods and deny warranty service, 4) warranty claims are not going to bankrupt any corporation (not even GM!).

Where you fall between these extremes and what you do when you are faced with a decision is entirely up to you. I have no particular recommendation for you.

[coco_m3]

Originally Posted by xbook

I have no opinion on mods no mods, whatever....to each their own I say.

THREADJACK

That being said, we need to introduce some sig pic rules here, YO. After reading these last 3 pages of posts, it came to mind that the sig pics here need some standardization. Silverbullet, dude, you gotta make that thing smaller.

I suggest the forum standard of 500x100 pixels...those in favor.

I promise, you will survive.
Dude, I'm gonna leave it like it is.

[coco_m3]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

^^^Now you guys are going overboard...I like his sig...LOL (Actually was thinking about seeing if he could make me one...no joke...cause I can't use photoshop to save my life)

PM me, I'll make you a sick one.
:biggrin:

[raolc]

People don't understand

you don't mod a car to make it BETTER

you mod it to fit your needs

when bmw designed this car, they had a certain group that they wanted to market the car to

for example they made a nice sounding premium hi-fi system, but for some people who want more bass, such as myself, I put 2 more subs in the trunk i didn't make it better, just making the car fit my needs

now the average consumer doesn't want a loud car and preffers not to hear the turbo whistle, I do, so I got the RR exhaust

the average consumer wouldn't compromise reliability and longetivity of the engine for ~400whp, I do, so I'm compromising the car's reliability by getting a tune, downpipes, intake... I'm very happy with the mods, but of course it makes the car a lot more of a hassle I didn't make the car BETTER, just made it fit my prefferences

no one is going to make the car BETTER than the way it was engineered for years, but aftermarket companies help you personalize the car, such as ambergones for those of you that don't like the amber

[Johnnyr135]

Good Post!

[AchtungF80]

Originally Posted by davemohan

Maybe a little off-topic, but I've seen this argument repeated like a mantra recently. Just to go real-world, how does this play out?

Your dealer, or BMWNA, denies your warranty claim due to a modification. You stand up and shout "bmw has to PROVE it caused the problem". They say "you've got the mod, the down-stream part failed: proof enough".

Now what do you do? The dealer has attorneys on retainer, BMWNA has staff attorneys, and it is in their best interest to set a precedent of successfully denying claims due to 3rd party modifications. Do you stand on principal (not likely in this scenario) and spend thousands of dollars in attorney fees and court costs, not to mention months or even years in litigation, to demand your warranty rights?

And keep in mind that you will be throwing your fate into the hands of a judge or jury (or arbitrator), who will have listened to BMW's "expert witnesses". Did you pay for your "experts"? In this little morality play you have the wronged consumer ("BMW just wants to void warranties on any excuse!") versus the wronged merchant ("This guy wants us to warranty parts modified beyond design tolerance, while we, and our customers, bear the cost!"). Total crap-shoot as to where the judicial sympathies will fall.

So, what do you do?

Took the words out of my mouth...I just started to get annoyed too by people with mods proclaiming Magnuson-Moss Act. All aboard the failboat.
Time will tell and we may see alot of out of warranty due to mods for sale soon with people jumping ship for Evos and STIs.

[adrean8j]

Jumping ship for STI's??? I wouldn't go that far....

[coco_m3]

Honda's are better.

[AchtungF80]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

Jumping ship for STI's??? I wouldn't go that far....

Why not? The subie dealer I went shopping for a base impreza for my wife actually promoted us to mod the Impreza with STI parts, aftermarket exhausts and even delivered an aftermarket exhaust system to a return customer while I was sitting there going over the options list. I've never been to a dealer where the entire dealer and service dept were promoting people to modify their cars.

[adrean8j]

not for the modding side....i mean for the quality of materials, especially fit and finish of the interior..things like that...I love STI's and their heritage...just cannot get by the econobox like interior. Thats all I am saying..

[AchtungF80]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

not for the modding side....i mean for the quality of materials, especially fit and finish of the interior..things like that...I love STI's and their heritage...just cannot get by the econobox like interior. Thats all I am saying..

Heh, well no one said you'd be jumping ship. It just seems like some people on here bought their cars to modify and will be hard pressed to quote Magnuson Moss when a BMW dealer tells them the Engine replacement won't be covered under warranty and they're out $25k and/or just see the aftermarket wheels, suspension and the like and assumed its modded and just refuse servicing.

[adrean8j]

^^^Well any dealership that assumes aftermarket wheels means modded doesn't need to be in business..that is the thing MOST people do regardless of car-type. I for one would remove said parts if I was going to take my car in for service. Is it maybe a little bit dishonest? Yeah maybe....but then again paying $100/hr for labour...for lets say....changing some filters and spark plugs is crazy as well. I expect it for the suspension though...even though the suspension installed is better than the stock one....I just won't jump ship to a Subie JUST for modding...the price of the current version is a huuuuge factor...check this out:
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2...rite-ally.html

[AchtungF80]

Ha! I clicked the link and its funny there's a white 135i on the Long Term banner lol.

I try to be a little objective about cars, I do love my 135i and I think the STI is a great value at the prices dealers are giving these days, but the writer of that article seems to have a chip on his shoulder about the car and even favors BMWs in the article. I don't remember any mention of the Evo X.

[adrean8j]

^^^Two door coupe/hatch for the same price is what he is talking about. If you throw sedan's in the discussion then the EVO comes up. That being said having ANY car that you can mod is great fun IMHO. Be it a Honda, Subie, Mitsu, Bimmer, or even a Toyota. It is up to you whether to tempt fate with the warranty thing....

[GemBm]

I for one would remove said parts if I was going to take my car in for service. Is it maybe a little bit dishonest?
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2...rite-ally.html[/quote]
It's more than a little bit dishonest!

[adrean8j]

How so? I did not say I was removing parts because something broke down....I was removing parts for Service...If my turn signal stopped flashing and I turned the car in for that I would take off my SSTT...just because they might try to use that against me and I don't have the time or inclination to go tit for tat against them for that type of stuff...it is ridiculous to think you could not do ANYTHING to your car for fear of warranty refusal/Service refusal. Call it what you want but like I once read: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

[GemBm]

To each there own really. I don't have issues with what someone else does with their car. I just thinks it's funny that people mod the heck out of cars then most of them do everything they can to hide it from the dealer. Yeah BMW would probably try to stick it to you if they knew the car had mods. But is not that the risk anyone knowing takes when deciding to go that route?. If you want to play be willing to pay that's why I would only go with DINAN or BMW performance because they cover you.