BMW 1 Series Coupe Forum / 1 Series Convertible Forum (1M / tii / 135i / 128i / Coupe / Cabrio / Hatchback) (BMW E82 E88 128i 130i 135i)
 





 

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-31-2015, 04:22 PM   #1
Schalldampfer1
///Mmmmmmm
Schalldampfer1's Avatar
71
Rep
172
Posts

Drives: e82 135i/6; e36 M3 2/5
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
1996 BMW M3  [0.00]
2008 BMW 135i  [0.00]
Question Who is still being denied Turbo Replacement?

Who is currently being denied 100% coverage on their N54 turbos from the Wastegate Rattle issue (and is under 82k miles)?

So a few weeks after I bought my 135i I started to hear the infamous rattle from the Turbos. To refresh people on the issue (especially new owners), it only happens on deceleration below 3k and revving of engine in neutral. There was a lawsuit back in 2010 (Case No. CV10-2257 SI under Kershaw, Cutter and Ratinoff, LLC) regarding this and the fuel pump. A settlement was reached and all US N54 cars would be covered 100% up to 82k miles for the turbos.

I reached out to some local dealers but my VIN number does not come up under the Service Bulletin for this issue (old July 2012 SIB attached and similar to the new updated versions). They were clueless to what was wrong. One dealer flat out denied to look into it. Another said they would have to take out the turbos for inspection and charge me over $2k if BMW wouldn't cover the work. The third dealer was a lot more helpful. They just turned the car on and revved the engine in neutral to hear the damn rattle. They said I had to call BMW NA to find out why my VIN wasn't covered. My case manager had no idea but said they would send out a rep to personally inspect it. The rep concurred with the dealer but said they would only cover 60% of the parts and labor and have me pay the rest (which came out to around $3k).

Of course I could not afford this and I said no. I called my rep back leaving messages every other day with no response. I called NA back today speaking with another rep and told my story. He had to leave a message for my original rep to call me back. Thankfully she called back. I explained what's going on and said I can't afford this and need BMW's assistance. She said there is nothing more they can do and should accept their gracious offer. I asked again why my VIN was not on the list. She didn't know. I told her I have a legal right to know (based on information from another owner that had the same issue). She again said she did not know why. Maybe it had to do with my production date. Not sure though. This is BS as my car is a 2008 with only 65k miles (now 69k after initial dealer inquiry).

Sure they can accept and deny anyone they want, but here's my real question:

If they were sued and a settlement was reached where they are supposed to cover ALL US affected N54 cars under 82k miles, wouldn't they be not following terms of the lawsuit settlement and in legal trouble of some kind?

Anyone else have similar issues? Any resolutions? I have just about had it with NA on this problem and want to get this figured out for not only myself but others out there.
Attached Images
File Type: pdf SIB_010212_June_2012_Turbocharger_Replacement.pdf (36.4 KB, 311 views)
__________________

2008 e82 135i Coupe 6 Speed
///M Sport, Sedona Red over Black

1996 e36 ///M3 Coupe 5 Speed
Cosmos Black over Black
Appreciate 0
      08-31-2015, 04:36 PM   #2
Dackelone
European Editor
Dackelone's Avatar
Germany
10512
Rep
22,992
Posts

Drives: N54 e82
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bayern, Germany

iTrader: (1)

Maybe these SIB's will help?
Appreciate 0
      08-31-2015, 04:46 PM   #3
awns729
Lieutenant
33
Rep
419
Posts

Drives: 2008 BMW 135i Convertible
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: West Nyack, NY

iTrader: (4)

I had 0 issues. They said it's a $159 inspection fee if it's not the wastegates making the noise I claimed they were, but I called my SA the next say and she said "Yeah, you're getting new turbos. We'll order parts and it'll take a few days, so I'll call you early next week". Got the car back a day early and had no issues or hassle having them covered. I have a 2008 with a 2/2008 build date if I remember right.

Edit: Because they were so good, I'll post their name - Ridgefield BMW in CT
Appreciate 1
      08-31-2015, 05:56 PM   #4
Schalldampfer1
///Mmmmmmm
Schalldampfer1's Avatar
71
Rep
172
Posts

Drives: e82 135i/6; e36 M3 2/5
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
1996 BMW M3  [0.00]
2008 BMW 135i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dackelone View Post
Maybe these SIB's will help?
I also have the June/July 2012 SIB. Doesn't do anything with NA unfortunately. All they care about is the VIN number no coming up. Just looking for an excuse to not pay for all my work.
__________________

2008 e82 135i Coupe 6 Speed
///M Sport, Sedona Red over Black

1996 e36 ///M3 Coupe 5 Speed
Cosmos Black over Black
Appreciate 0
      09-01-2015, 05:38 AM   #5
Dackelone
European Editor
Dackelone's Avatar
Germany
10512
Rep
22,992
Posts

Drives: N54 e82
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bayern, Germany

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schalldampfer1 View Post
I also have the June/July 2012 SIB. Doesn't do anything with NA unfortunately. All they care about is the VIN number no coming up. Just looking for an excuse to not pay for all my work.
I would talk to a dealer... tell them that you would not mind paying some labor fee if they could cover the new turbos under this SIB. That is what the deal is with most shops... BMW NA is not paying the tech enough time to do the job.

I don't know what the "shop time" is for replacing both turbos... but lets say that the COD rate is 12 hours(times their shop hourly rate) and BMW NA will only pay 5 hours. Offer to pickup the rest.

Its most likely that the dealer(and the tech) doesn't want to loose their A$$ on doing a shit job. BUT if they can get some money to make this job not so bitter... they just might agree to doing it! I know in a perfect world they should just do it, no questions asked. But then again in a perfect world BMW NA should force them to repair your car for free.

Or better yet... make friends with one of the techs at the dealer and ask what he can do for your case.


Otherwise... you will have to go to an independent shop and pay for the entire bill. Each turbo runs about $1,100 but you could also just have them rebuilt. A friend of mine over here in Germany just did this, they rebuilt is (wastegates only) for 250 euros per. Of course he did pay a shop 1,200 euros in labor to R&R them(labor). Most shops over here charge 120 euros per hour.

Years ago places like Turbo Performance Center in MD(Mike Levitas) made a killing upgrading turbochargers for all types of cars.

Good Luck,
Dackel
Appreciate 0
      09-01-2015, 12:02 PM   #6
Schalldampfer1
///Mmmmmmm
Schalldampfer1's Avatar
71
Rep
172
Posts

Drives: e82 135i/6; e36 M3 2/5
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
1996 BMW M3  [0.00]
2008 BMW 135i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dackelone View Post
I would talk to a dealer... tell them that you would not mind paying some labor fee if they could cover the new turbos under this SIB. That is what the deal is with most shops... BMW NA is not paying the tech enough time to do the job.

I don't know what the "shop time" is for replacing both turbos... but lets say that the COD rate is 12 hours(times their shop hourly rate) and BMW NA will only pay 5 hours. Offer to pickup the rest.

Its most likely that the dealer(and the tech) doesn't want to loose their A$$ on doing a shit job. BUT if they can get some money to make this job not so bitter... they just might agree to doing it! I know in a perfect world they should just do it, no questions asked. But then again in a perfect world BMW NA should force them to repair your car for free.

Or better yet... make friends with one of the techs at the dealer and ask what he can do for your case.


Otherwise... you will have to go to an independent shop and pay for the entire bill. Each turbo runs about $1,100 but you could also just have them rebuilt. A friend of mine over here in Germany just did this, they rebuilt is (wastegates only) for 250 euros per. Of course he did pay a shop 1,200 euros in labor to R&R them(labor). Most shops over here charge 120 euros per hour.

Years ago places like Turbo Performance Center in MD(Mike Levitas) made a killing upgrading turbochargers for all types of cars.

Good Luck,
Dackel
Unfortunately I can't afford much if not anything for this work. That's why I'm trying to get BMW NA to cover it all as they have for every other N54 owner in the US. I would have to come up with $3,280 to pay for the remainder of the work based on them taking care of the 60% they have agreed to (mentioned in my 1st post). If they end up refusing more than 60% I may just have to adjust the wastegate actuator rod myself and see if the rattle stops. I would just rather have new turbos for longevity (as many others would).
__________________

2008 e82 135i Coupe 6 Speed
///M Sport, Sedona Red over Black

1996 e36 ///M3 Coupe 5 Speed
Cosmos Black over Black
Appreciate 1
      09-01-2015, 07:02 PM   #7
ShocknAwe
1Addict
ShocknAwe's Avatar
3202
Rep
7,860
Posts

Drives: E82 Mutt, M57 Truck
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Charleston

iTrader: (22)

If you can't get BMWNA to pay for it through warranty, wait for Pure to release their N54 turbos. Don't pay retail plus labor for a turbo install with wastegates that will just fail again in time.
__________________
2010 135i 6MT Jet Black
N54/3 FE82 Mutt | BUILD THREAD | GARAGE SALE
Appreciate 0
      09-01-2015, 07:19 PM   #8
Dackelone
European Editor
Dackelone's Avatar
Germany
10512
Rep
22,992
Posts

Drives: N54 e82
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bayern, Germany

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShocknAwe View Post
If you can't get BMWNA to pay for it through warranty, wait for Pure to release their N54 turbos. Don't pay retail plus labor for a turbo install with wastegates that will just fail again in time.
The friend of mine who had his turbos rebuilt took them to a shop that specializes in Porsche's. They replaced the actuators and modified the wastegate valve... (notice the new added weight to the WG valve)...

old turbos out on the bench...
Name:  Wastgates 135i  11903941_10153456785603567_9169551274529777467_n.jpg
Views: 2533
Size:  69.8 KB

old...
Name:  Wastegates 135i   11873717_10153456785848567_6263372842914780824_n.jpg
Views: 2808
Size:  55.3 KB

new... (note new WG valve weight)
Name:  Wastegates 135i  11885109_10153463655528567_5386154452180217981_n.jpg
Views: 2749
Size:  45.8 KB
Appreciate 0
      09-01-2015, 08:37 PM   #9
Tecmo89
Private
11
Rep
88
Posts

Drives: 2009 BMW 135i Year One Edition
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Michigan

iTrader: (0)

Just curious because I think I'm going to be taking mine in for the wastegate/turbo problem. Would having JB4 installed cause them to deny it? Or do they not check that? I could always uninstall before bringing it in.
Appreciate 0
      09-01-2015, 08:53 PM   #10
ShocknAwe
1Addict
ShocknAwe's Avatar
3202
Rep
7,860
Posts

Drives: E82 Mutt, M57 Truck
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Charleston

iTrader: (22)

Quote:
Originally Posted by YearOne_1 View Post
Just curious because I think I'm going to be taking mine in for the wastegate/turbo problem. Would having JB4 installed cause them to deny it? Or do they not check that? I could always uninstall before bringing it in.
Just uninstall it.
__________________
2010 135i 6MT Jet Black
N54/3 FE82 Mutt | BUILD THREAD | GARAGE SALE
Appreciate 0
      09-01-2015, 08:56 PM   #11
ShocknAwe
1Addict
ShocknAwe's Avatar
3202
Rep
7,860
Posts

Drives: E82 Mutt, M57 Truck
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Charleston

iTrader: (22)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dackelone View Post
The friend of mine who had his turbos rebuilt took them to a shop that specializes in Porsche's. They replaced the actuators and modified the wastegate valve... (notice the new added weight to the WG valve)...

old turbos out on the bench...
Attachment 1271779

old...
Attachment 1271780

new... (note new WG valve weight)
Attachment 1271781
That's VERY interesting. Do you have more info on what was done to the whole assembly?
__________________
2010 135i 6MT Jet Black
N54/3 FE82 Mutt | BUILD THREAD | GARAGE SALE
Appreciate 0
      09-02-2015, 02:11 PM   #12
Schalldampfer1
///Mmmmmmm
Schalldampfer1's Avatar
71
Rep
172
Posts

Drives: e82 135i/6; e36 M3 2/5
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
1996 BMW M3  [0.00]
2008 BMW 135i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by YearOne_1 View Post
Just curious because I think I'm going to be taking mine in for the wastegate/turbo problem. Would having JB4 installed cause them to deny it? Or do they not check that? I could always uninstall before bringing it in.
Definitely uninstall it and scan your ECU with a code reader that can detect tuner codes (like the BT Scan tool). Clear out all codes and adaptations so that they don't see anything if they scan it.

It is explicitly mentioned in the Service Builtin:

"The terms of the original New Vehicle/SAV Limited Warranty and applicable emissions warranty still apply. BMW NA will not provide warranty coverage to any Settlement Class Member’s vehicle containing modifications or alterations to the turbocharger or its wastegates (software, hardware or otherwise), or evidencing other conditions not normally covered under the original New Vehicle/SAV Limited Warranty or applicable emissions warranty.

Modifications excluded from warranty coverage include any aftermarket parts that affect the turbocharger system, or if there are other conditions that would normally exclude it from warranty coverage."
__________________

2008 e82 135i Coupe 6 Speed
///M Sport, Sedona Red over Black

1996 e36 ///M3 Coupe 5 Speed
Cosmos Black over Black
Appreciate 0
      09-03-2015, 04:36 AM   #13
Dackelone
European Editor
Dackelone's Avatar
Germany
10512
Rep
22,992
Posts

Drives: N54 e82
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Bayern, Germany

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShocknAwe View Post
That's VERY interesting. Do you have more info on what was done to the whole assembly?
Noop. I just know he said they mod'd the WG so it won't jam up and make the rattle. They also replaced the actuators. The company specializes in servicing Porsche turbochargers. I don't think the actual turbo cartridge(center section) was changed. I believe only the WG side.

My buddy says his car no longer sounds like a rattle snake when he drives it! Plus the engine seems to pull much harder now(better WG sealing now).

Dackel
Appreciate 1
      09-03-2015, 07:24 PM   #14
ShocknAwe
1Addict
ShocknAwe's Avatar
3202
Rep
7,860
Posts

Drives: E82 Mutt, M57 Truck
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Charleston

iTrader: (22)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dackelone View Post
Noop. I just know he said they mod'd the WG so it won't jam up and make the rattle. They also replaced the actuators. The company specializes in servicing Porsche turbochargers. I don't think the actual turbo cartridge(center section) was changed. I believe only the WG side.

My buddy says his car no longer sounds like a rattle snake when he drives it! Plus the engine seems to pull much harder now(better WG sealing now).

Dackel
Hm. Had seen it noted by a certain aftermarket turbo manufacturer that it was impossible to replace the wastegates on stock units as they were welded assemblies and the housing had to be machined. Seems that was more or less false.
__________________
2010 135i 6MT Jet Black
N54/3 FE82 Mutt | BUILD THREAD | GARAGE SALE
Appreciate 1
      09-04-2015, 02:05 PM   #15
B.M.W.
Something Danger Zone
41
Rep
257
Posts

Drives: 2009 335i E46 M3
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: South Carolina

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dackelone View Post
The friend of mine who had his turbos rebuilt took them to a shop that specializes in Porsche's. They replaced the actuators and modified the wastegate valve... (notice the new added weight to the WG valve)...

old turbos out on the bench...
Snip

old...
Snip

new... (note new WG valve weight)
Snip

I just know he said they mod'd the WG so it won't jam up and make the rattle. They also replaced the actuators. The company specializes in servicing Porsche turbochargers. I don't think the actual turbo cartridge(center section) was changed. I believe only the WG side.

My buddy says his car no longer sounds like a rattle snake when he drives it! Plus the engine seems to pull much harder now(better WG sealing now).

Dackel
Hmm.. this is interesting. Would you mind PMing me the shop's phone# and the name of your friend? It might be easy to replicate that kind of modifcation & have someone set up a service for it of a DIY. Since I need turbos soon this sounds much better than installing smoking RBs for reliability & with inlets would make the N54 much more reliable.
Appreciate 0
      09-05-2015, 02:49 PM   #16
BigRussia
Captain
BigRussia's Avatar
152
Rep
984
Posts

Drives: 04 M3
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: SFL

iTrader: (5)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schalldampfer1 View Post
Definitely uninstall it and scan your ECU with a code reader that can detect tuner codes (like the BT Scan tool). Clear out all codes and adaptations so that they don't see anything if they scan it.

It is explicitly mentioned in the Service Builtin:

"The terms of the original New Vehicle/SAV Limited Warranty and applicable emissions warranty still apply. BMW NA will not provide warranty coverage to any Settlement Class Member’s vehicle containing modifications or alterations to the turbocharger or its wastegates (software, hardware or otherwise), or evidencing other conditions not normally covered under the original New Vehicle/SAV Limited Warranty or applicable emissions warranty.

Modifications excluded from warranty coverage include any aftermarket parts that affect the turbocharger system, or if there are other conditions that would normally exclude it from warranty coverage."
I too was going to ask about having a JB4 going in for this warranty work, I was planning on completely uninstalling it anyway but thank you for the complete answer and extra info. Now I wonder if having a axelback exhaust would cause them to deny the warranty too? I have a Berk race muffler delete and I can imagine them saying the exhaust affected the turbos...
__________________
2004E46M36MTCBCinn 'Clubsport'
Appreciate 0
      09-06-2015, 10:22 PM   #17
bippie999
The One
bippie999's Avatar
United_States
10
Rep
61
Posts

Drives: 2008 m135i coupe sport package
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Traverse City, Michigan

iTrader: (0)

failing turbos

My turbos have a rattle on occasion, but my Cobb Accessport detected several error codes at the track when it went into limp mode. The error codes pointed to failing wastegates. lack of turbo pressure and possible Fuel pressure. I took off my afe cold air intake, my aa charge pipe with BOV, and my Accessport.
The dealer denied the new turbos based on the required specs from BMW to prove there was a continuous rattle 6 times in a row, and proof of failure.

I wish I was as lucky as the guy in CT. Maybe I'll take it to a new dealer!
__________________
2008 135i coupe w/Sport Package, aFe cold air, TC Kline DA suspension/Camber plates. AA Charge pipe/BOV, cat-less Downpipes, and AA FMIC. SuperSprint mid-pipes, Cobb V3 AP, and Corsa muffler, Wavetrac LSD, M3 contol arms and bushings + RSFB, Rear Toe-control arms, Front and rear H&R sway bars, shock tower brace, Hawk track pads, Michelin Pilot Super Sports. Enkei wheels.
Appreciate 0
      09-10-2015, 05:27 PM   #18
Schalldampfer1
///Mmmmmmm
Schalldampfer1's Avatar
71
Rep
172
Posts

Drives: e82 135i/6; e36 M3 2/5
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
1996 BMW M3  [0.00]
2008 BMW 135i  [0.00]
So, I heard back from NA and they contacted the local field rep who went to see my car at the dealer. They said there was a "miscommunication" and they originally offered to take care of 30% (when my dealer told me 60%) and now they will take care of 50%. I told them thank you for the information. I am now contacting the law firm that originally handled the litigation and settlement of the suit against BMW. Hopefully they will have some options.
__________________

2008 e82 135i Coupe 6 Speed
///M Sport, Sedona Red over Black

1996 e36 ///M3 Coupe 5 Speed
Cosmos Black over Black
Appreciate 0
      09-19-2015, 10:14 PM   #19
bippie999
The One
bippie999's Avatar
United_States
10
Rep
61
Posts

Drives: 2008 m135i coupe sport package
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Traverse City, Michigan

iTrader: (0)

Turbo failure or something else

I just took my car to a ProTuner to have it checked and possibly put in a custom tune on my Cobb Accessport. I previously thought I was having problems with my Turbos, but it turned out it was a few other things causing the problems and error codes.
1- my new downpipes were installed to where the bolt was preventing the wastegate on one turbo to not close.
2 - the mechanic who installed the downpipe also removed the vaccuum pods but that prevented the turbos from building full boost!
3 - my Low Pressure fuel pump is not delivering enough fuel on pressure during demands of full acceleration. I need a new one.
4 - I also will be replacing my Spark plugs and Coils because of mis-fires and plug blow-outs on high turbo pressure.
5 - Also will be upgrading to the newer style Fuel Injectors.

With 2 of the above repairs already completed, I am getting MUCH better turbo performance, and hopefully with the other repairs/upgrades, my engine will be able to sustain the increase boost pressure the Custom tune will give me. Hoping to get up to 400 HP!
__________________
2008 135i coupe w/Sport Package, aFe cold air, TC Kline DA suspension/Camber plates. AA Charge pipe/BOV, cat-less Downpipes, and AA FMIC. SuperSprint mid-pipes, Cobb V3 AP, and Corsa muffler, Wavetrac LSD, M3 contol arms and bushings + RSFB, Rear Toe-control arms, Front and rear H&R sway bars, shock tower brace, Hawk track pads, Michelin Pilot Super Sports. Enkei wheels.
Appreciate 0
      09-20-2015, 08:50 PM   #20
Taskmaster
Banned
Japan
2463
Rep
9,004
Posts

Drives: M235i 6MT / E92 328 Msport 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Florida

iTrader: (6)

Wow OP, I hope you get that figured out!
Appreciate 0
      02-29-2016, 02:47 PM   #21
RWD FUN
Private
RWD FUN's Avatar
8
Rep
56
Posts

Drives:
Join Date: Apr 2008

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schalldampfer1 View Post
So, I heard back from NA and they contacted the local field rep who went to see my car at the dealer. They said there was a "miscommunication" and they originally offered to take care of 30% (when my dealer told me 60%) and now they will take care of 50%. I told them thank you for the information. I am now contacting the law firm that originally handled the litigation and settlement of the suit against BMW. Hopefully they will have some options.
So who might this law firm be. I'm glad I looked for this when I did. Had my turbos replaced under warrenty about 4 years ago, now they seem to be bad again and worse than the first time. I am at 7.5 yrs and 81920 miles. Calling the dealer now, but in case they balk, does anyone have more info on who I might contact if the dealer denies me?

Thanks
Joe
Appreciate 0
      02-29-2016, 03:16 PM   #22
Schalldampfer1
///Mmmmmmm
Schalldampfer1's Avatar
71
Rep
172
Posts

Drives: e82 135i/6; e36 M3 2/5
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Chicago

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
1996 BMW M3  [0.00]
2008 BMW 135i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by RWD FUN View Post
So who might this law firm be. I'm glad I looked for this when I did. Had my turbos replaced under warrenty about 4 years ago, now they seem to be bad again and worse than the first time. I am at 7.5 yrs and 81920 miles. Calling the dealer now, but in case they balk, does anyone have more info on who I might contact if the dealer denies me?

Thanks
Joe
The law firm was Kershaw, Cutter and Ratinoff, LLC. However they never returned my calls. Probably because the case had been settled and handed off to another firm for dispersal of letters regarding compensation (by way of the extended warranty). If your car was covered the first time, it should still be under the same warranty. Just call up your dealer and tell them that your turbos are making noise and see what they say.
__________________

2008 e82 135i Coupe 6 Speed
///M Sport, Sedona Red over Black

1996 e36 ///M3 Coupe 5 Speed
Cosmos Black over Black
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:12 AM.




1addicts
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST