A new "M" 135i might be on the horizon

Robert · 03-31-2008, 02:45 AM

If this car ever makes production it will be a riot.

Here's an list compiled from an e90 poster, BK. With lower engine and better handling characteristic, the M1, if M1, will be the most coveted M car.

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So I started cutting and pasting the Edmunds slalom speeds for cars that interested me. Here's the list. Useless info, really, but it's interesting to see how blazingly quick the M3 (and 135i!) is through the Edmunds slalom:

Lincoln Navigator L 4WD - 52.9
Honda Odyssey Touring - 60.3
Dodge Charger R/T - 62.3
Bentley Continental GT - 64.3
Nissan Altima Coupe - 64.5
2005 A4 - 64.6
535i - 65.3
Pontiac G8 GT - 65.7
Honda Accord Coupe - 66.2
E93 328i - 66.3
IS350 - 66.4
E46 M3 - 66.6
E90 330i - 67.4
MB C350 sport - 67.6
Subaru Impreza WRX - 67.7
MB CL600 - 67.8
Mini Cooper S Clubman - 68.2
E92 335i - 68.4
C63 AMG - 68.6
E90 335i - 69.2
E60 M5 - 69.2
Mazdaspeed 3 - 69.3
Z4 M - 69.6
Lexus IS-F - 70.2
RS4 - 70.5
911 Carrera S - 70.5
135i - 72.4
Nissan GT-R - 72.9
E92 M3 - 73.3

Oregon · 03-31-2008, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by slickone

This is a list from the E60 forum, from someone that works with BMW.

Timeplan for upcoming models

2008
January: X6
March: 1 series Cab
June: M3 Cab
September: 7 Series
November: 3 series facelift

2009
March: Mini Cabrio
June: Z4 Roadster
September: Rolls-Royce Coupé
December: PAS

2010
March: F10
June: Mini SAV
September: X3, Rolls-Royce Midsize Sedan
December: CS

2011
March: F11
June: X1
September: 6-series coupe
October: 1-series

2012
January: 6-series Cab
March: 3-series Sedan
September: F10 M5

2013
March: 3-series Touring
September: 3-series Coupe

Even then, what's it gonna' look like; the current 1 is hardly pretty, Bangle is pre-possessed with the elongated 'coupe' concept, I'm betting the face-lifted 1 is ultimately non-collectable, no thank you fugly, what were you thinking BMW, retaining this guy's employ?

SCOTT26 · 03-31-2008, 05:11 AM

Whoever compiled this list does not work for BMW AG.

BMW135iCA · 03-31-2008, 08:36 AM

If they came out with an M1, I bet the base price would be close to 50k, way out of my league with some options right now. Plus why wait for a car that we do not even know its going to happen?

Chris

LeifW · 03-31-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Whoever compiled this list does not work for BMW AG.

Hey Scott26,

Can you post any other details on these M models? For example, will the M120i make it to the U.S.? Or will that turbo 4 make it to the U.S. in some other BMW model? Anything. We're starved for information.

Thanks,
Leif W.

pumaknight · 03-31-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by InsaneSkippy

I'm gonna be super pissed if they come out with a performance version of this car right after I buy mine!

No you won't - trust me. The 135i is quick enough to warrant an M badge!!

InsaneSkippy · 03-31-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pumaknight

No you won't - trust me. The 135i is quick enough to warrant an M badge!!

Very true, it's not like I'd be able to shell out the extra $ for one anyway. Plus, I do like that the 1 series is somewhat of a collectible (at least for the 1st year).

Redline · 03-31-2008, 10:38 AM

by the time m135i does come out..the new 1series is around the corner...Great chance for me to see if the new 1series is ugly or has any advantage over the 135i now.

I can then decide to get M or not...:roundel:

Brandon26pdx · 03-31-2008, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slickone

This is a list from the E60 forum, from someone that works with BMW.

Timeplan for upcoming models

2008
January: X6
March: 1 series Cab
June: M3 Cab
September: 7 Series
November: 3 series facelift

2009
March: Mini Cabrio
June: Z4 Roadster
September: Rolls-Royce Coupé
December: PAS

2010
March: F10
June: Mini SAV
September: X3, Rolls-Royce Midsize Sedan
December: CS

2011
March: F11
June: X1
September: 6-series coupe
October: 1-series

2012
January: 6-series Cab
March: 3-series Sedan
September: F10 M5

2013
March: 3-series Touring
September: 3-series Coupe

Not claiming it's accurate or anything, but it makes a little bit of sense. MY 2012 with a late calender year 2011 introduction would be a likely suspect for when an all-new 1-series platform might show up. 2011 would be the current platform's 8th MY if you include when it was released in Europe, and BMW is known to stretch model platforms out that far.

The real question in my mind is whether or not BMW plans to facelift the E82 coupe a couple MY's in, or just leave it essentially unchanged for it's entire run in north america...:iono:

andree8 · 03-31-2008, 02:21 PM

Ouch faster then a 911 Carrera S !!!!

grant · 03-31-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by andree8

Ouch faster then a 911 Carrera S !!!!

This is nothing new. In 1992, the Euro M3 was much faster than a 964 Carrera...

hellrotm · 04-01-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Whoever compiled this list does not work for BMW AG.

The list makes some sense.

So your saying the 1-series is not going to follow the 7 year cycle, it has been out since 2004.

This list was also posted well before any dates of the current cars that are coming out. So far everything is going to the list. The list is Euro release dates.

atr_hugo · 04-01-2008, 07:07 AM

slickone - Scott26 works for BMW, if you weren't already aware of that.

aesthetect · 04-01-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LeifW

<<An M120i will be the entry model again using a four cylinder turbo charged powerplant of 240PS again with option of the CS package>>

Man, this would be the perfect car for me. If they do make it, BMW probably won't bring it to the U.S. It sure would be fun though.

Leif W.

im with you 100%. absolutely perfect and absolutely european. although if this is the direction the M-division is going (turbo, efficient dynamics showcase), something like that would be an ideal kick-off

Numb3rs · 04-01-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Whoever compiled this list does not work for BMW AG.

+10
I agree, I was looking that over and it seems more like speculation than an actual BMW road map. BMW is not going to make a big deal about bring a new line of BMW's to America (and parts of Europe) then turn around an re-deisgn it entirely in 3 years.

Re-designes typically start at the top and come down threw the different series.

Yoot1 · 04-02-2008, 08:29 AM

The E82 debuted in 2008, not 2004. It's closer in design to the 3-series than the 1-series hatchback.

A refresh before the 2012 MY would be BMW admitting the 1 is a failure. I doubt it will happen, engines choices aside.

MIGCAL · 04-02-2008, 08:43 AM

hmmm... I rather wait for the M135i, I'll be very dissapointed if by the end of this year it hasn't turned up!

MIGCAL · 04-02-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Spook

Dang.. how much more performance can you use?

There is never enough my friend...

adc · 04-02-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoot1

The E82 debuted in 2008, not 2004. It's closer in design to the 3-series than the 1-series hatchback.

A refresh before the 2012 MY would be BMW admitting the 1 is a failure. I doubt it will happen, engines choices aside.

Not true - the E82 IS a slightly modified hatchback platform. The 1 hatch and 3 were co-developed in the same timeframe and use many common parts. Heck, the front part of the cars are all but identical. Same electronics, interiors, drivetrains etc.

The new 1 series will debut around 2011, most probably with another hatch bodyshell. One year later the sedan and wagons will come out, another year later the coupe and convertible. So the 1 coupe might have a slightly shorter lifecycle (5.5 years instead of 7) that's not a big deal for a niche car.

It's been said the new 1 series will have a different approach than the current one. They will provide more conventional body styles too, such as sedan and wagon - and surprise surprise, they will be bigger than the current generation. From what I've heard, I'm not even sure if they will have a hatch style for the next 1.

There are also rumors that BMW will come out with something smaller than a 1, to meet the very stringent upcoming corporate fuel economy and CO2 emission standards. In this context, it makes sense to slightly enlarge the next gen 1 series and let it take more conventional (and capacious) body styles, since it will no longer be the smallest/cheapest car.

I didn't count Mini because it's FWD. All these "real" BMW's will have RWD and optionally AWD.

spudw · 04-02-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by aesthetect

im with you 100%. absolutely perfect and absolutely european. although if this is the direction the M-division is going (turbo, efficient dynamics showcase), something like that would be an ideal kick-off

I agree too. The current engineering challenge is not to do more with more, but to do a lot with less.

Within a decade we'll have F1 cars with eco-friendly 2.4L V-6 engines generating the same or more output than 3.0L V-10s from 5 years ago. F1 could have stayed with V-10s and they'd be producing 1,000hp. But who cares and how is that relevant?

Same goes for 600bhp, 4,000 lbs road cars. Who cares? It's been done. I'd be more impressed with M variants that significantly reduce weight and provide impressive output with smaller, lighter more efficient engines. A fuel efficient M120i in the same league as a 135i would be more of an achievement and more worthy of an M/// badge than the 'traditional' approach to creating an M car (i.e. more power, a little weight loss, etc.).

aesthetect · 04-02-2008, 08:25 PM

^ couldnt have said it better myself.

hellrotm · 04-02-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by atr_hugo

slickone - Scott26 works for BMW, if you weren't already aware of that.

Has Scott26 ever explained what exactly his job is with BMW, just interested?

I was doing a quick google search on our friend Scott26.

I found this post on another forum from 2005. http://www.carspyshots.net/showthread.php?t=783&page=6

Scott26 03-14-2005, 05:04 AM
"This project was purely experimental . It was to test and develop technology and materials for future production models - It was a fun pure handling sports car and there was plans for the a driving machine unheard of . no luxury just a pure sports car.

The ideas are still with BMW product planners and it is on the to-do-later shelf but not like this. With the M2 Coupe expected now to charge up to 350 BHP the proposed 2.4 powerplant is too weak to it's rivals. Expect though a go ahead to a Z2 Roadster - BMW's true Mx-5 rival."

I don't think this guy knows exactly what is going on inside BMW. Why was he telling people in 2005 to expect a Z2 roadster????

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