1M Coupe Runs Nurburgring in 8:12

[techthentic]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

That car had several advantages including Rcomps if I remember right

Correct, it isn't included in the list of production vehicle lap times but non-series/road legal vehicle lap times

[Jblack4083]

As disappointed as we seem to be with the iS engine, that time is impressive.

[Verrückt]

Really? I thought BMW claimed it would beat the TT-RS (which ran 8:09 for Sport Auto on street tires).

[Future M1 owner]

Originally Posted by Jblack4083

As disappointed as we seem to be with the iS engine, that time is impressive.

E90/E92 M3 - 8:05
1 series M coupe - 8:12

Exactly why we can't have the DCT equipped 360hp 1M the engineers were originally gunning for.

It could be done.
It was done.
But those prototypes were declared "forbidden fruit"...

[positiveions]

serious contender

[Tim B.]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

how can the E46 M3 CSL be THIRTY TWO seconds faster than an E46 M3 ? Wow.. that's insane.

Heck, that is alot! I didn't remember it being THAT much faster! I'm also surprised it's(CSL) is 15 seconds faster than the E92 M3!
What about the GTR Nissan?

[Madozu]

Originally Posted by techthentic

Not bad... here are some other times I dug up

8:06 Porsche Cayman S PDK (08)
8:16 Porsche Cayman S PDK (08)

Good example to show how much difference driver, climate (temperature, humidity) and circumstances (just 1 hot lap or 10 laps and the fastest is reported) can make ...

[ErvGotti]

Originally Posted by mach330

is there a time for the 335is? i really want to know how these two car compares. price wise...i think they are pretty close as well?

Get the 1M unless you have your heart set on a 3 series. It's full of M3 suspension bits and the most important an LSD.

Originally Posted by Future M1 owner

E90/E92 M3 - 8:05
1 series M coupe - 8:12

Exactly why we can't have the DCT equipped 360hp 1M the engineers were originally gunning for.

It could be done.
It was done.
But those prototypes were declared "forbidden fruit"...

Yup

Those that are upset for the lack of power, All this car would need is a tune and you can easily get to the 8:05 times of the M3.

[Madozu]

Originally Posted by Tim B.

Heck, that is alot! I didn't remember it being THAT much faster! I'm also surprised it's(CSL) is 15 seconds faster than the E92 M3!
What about the GTR Nissan?

May I repeat myself in writing that the M3 CSL comes with cup tires? Everyone who has experienced the difference knows what I'm talking about

[Art__Vandelay]

Originally Posted by BloodRed3

If the new 2011 Subaru sti sedan can run the Ring in 7:55, then how is the 1M and M3 so much slower?

As much as I know, those 7:55 were driven by rallye legend Tommi Mäkinen. Don't know how the temperature was that day, though.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by ErvGotti

Get the 1M unless you have your heart set on a 3 series. It's full of M3 suspension bits and the most important an LSD.



Yup

Those that are upset for the lack of power, All this car would need is a tune and you can easily get to the 8:05 times of the M3.

Keep in mind that the M3 time was from a 2008 without the newest DCT software and no competition pkg. The newest DCT software has made the M3 faster.

[330CIZHP]

There you go. The conspiracy theories. Utter nonsense.

The E92 M3 8:05 was run using a '08 6 speed manual M3, which did not even have competition package in it. One way or the other, M3 is just in a different league compared to 1-M with or without DCT.

Even with DCT, if the 1-M could shave off a couple of tenths, the ZCP M3 with DCT has been said to run 7:58 so there is no way 1-M could threaten the M3 in any shape or form so BMW has absolutely no reason to marginalize the 1-M by not offering DCT.

Originally Posted by Future M1 owner

E90/E92 M3 - 8:05
1 series M coupe - 8:12

Exactly why we can't have the DCT equipped 360hp 1M the engineers were originally gunning for.

It could be done.
It was done.
But those prototypes were declared "forbidden fruit"...

[NFIDDY5]

I knew I should have held onto my E46 M3 another year or so. Then I could get the 1M. Damn me and my penchant for just going out and buying shat. I knew I should have not purchased to 135i....

[rca06Mcoupe]

Originally Posted by Moo

8:05

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times

BTW I noticed Z4M coupe is also at 8:12

wikipedia quotes EVO magazine, page 077 issue 093. I tried to look it up but couldn't get back issues.


I remember from the initial testing (Cayman vs Z4M Coupe comparisons) reviewers citing Cayman probably had advantage with Advanced Michelins.
Z4M Coupe was shipped with Conti's (as a cost saving measure?) So, maybe Z4M Coupe bests 8:12 with the better tires??

[Fuerza]

Originally Posted by Steved

Directly from BMW when we filmed the car last Thursday.

Thanks for not hosting the video. This is a great thread without it.

[Wolf]

where is the GTS?

[Evolution_GT]

Originally Posted by Jason

Updated list. Not too shabby at all.

BMWs Compared:

• E46 M3 CSL - 7:50
• E90/E92 M3 - 8:05
• 1 series M coupe - 8:12
• Z4 M-Coupe - 8:12
• E60 M5
• Z4 M-Roadster - 8:15
• E46 M3 - 8:22
• 335i E92 Coupe - 8:26

Other Models Compared:

• 911 Carrera S (997) - 7:50
• Audi R8 - 8:04
• Cayman S - 8:04 (by Walter Röhrl)
• Audi RS4 - 8:09
• BMW 1 series M coupe - 8:12
• Aston Martin V8 Vantage - 8:13
• Mercedes C63 AMG PP - 8:13
• Corvette C6 - 8:15
• Cayman S - 8:16 (Sport Auto)
• Porsche Boxter S (987) - 8:18
• Lexus IS-F - 8:18
• 2010 VW Golf R - 8:23
• Audi S5 (2007) - 8:26
• Audi TT-S (2008) - 8:29

Still blows my mind that the 2011 Subaru WRX STI Sedan did it in 7:55...

Edit: I assume Rcomps are racing tires?

[Malek@MRF]

Originally Posted by Pirat335i

BMW is being conservative. I bet they hold back not to step on the M3s.

People will continue to believe these type of statements to justify to themselves that the 1M is a "better car" than the M3. The current m3 is a masterpiece of a car. This will be realized when it's discontinued.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by Malekreza11

People will continue to believe these type of statements to justify to themselves that the 1M is a "better car" than the M3. The current m3 is a masterpiece of a car. This will be realized when it's discontinued.

Different cars for different purpooses. Both cars were built for a specific purpose in mind. The 1M is super quick in the mountains and the M3 is the Autobahn cruiser. Nothing wrong with either one.


Both cars are fantastic. Now when somebody puts an S65 in a 1M i think well know which car is definitively better then...lol

[330CIZHP]

AutoBahn cruiser? That is the terminology used for Rolls Royce, Mercs and Audi A6 and A8s. Great way to marginalize M3's substantially superior handling capabilities.

The only place where 1-M can give problems to the M3 is in a very small tight autoX circuit where the short wheelbase of the 1-M will be an advantage. In a track with high speed turns like Nordchliefe, M3 destroys the 1-M as apparent in their official lap times.

1-M is for people who want a little more than the 135 sport. M3 is in a different league so you guys better stop comparing it to the M3.

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Different cars for different purpooses. Both cars were built for a specific purpose in mind. The 1M is super quick in the mountains and the M3 is the Autobahn cruiser. Nothing wrong with either one.


Both cars are fantastic. Now when somebody puts an S65 in a 1M i think well know which car is definitively better then...lol

[pride355]

Originally Posted by Madozu

1. Cup tires
2. Dramatic weight reduction (almost 300kg)
3. slightly more power (25 PS)
4. reduced ride height & other mods (therefore handles better)

Actually weight reduction is only 110 kg if you get the car without A/C and Radio/CD player.
Horsepower difference is 343 hp vs. 360 hp.

[kt3130]

Originally Posted by Evolution_GT

Still blows my mind that the 2011 Subaru WRX STI Sedan did it in 7:55...

Me too; however, it is basically an R205, which is no normal STI.