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      10-13-2009, 06:07 PM   #89
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God, I hope BMW is reading this thread and this comes to fruition.

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      10-13-2009, 06:21 PM   #90
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The ///M3 is a different vehicle from a 335, it is built more substantially than a 335i, in fact they are not even in the same league unless you want to go fast straight. Did you notice that the engine in the ///M3 is a V8, and that the ///M3 has a very substantial rear differential and larger wheels and brakes and a whole lot more? The cars share very little.

That's EXACTLY my point.....take a look at what this test mule is wearing....lets see...much larger wheels and tires, more substantial brakes, and if there's a power upgrade there's very likely a drivetrain upgrade to go with it.


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I am not going to make this into a 335 vs ///M3 debate as it is not the point of this thread and not worth my time but that comment alone shows why some "enthusiasts" really should look a bit more into what they are trying to argue.
What exactly is that supposed to mean? You're questioning my enthusiasm because I don't agree with you about some totally unrealistic weight reduction that you pulled out of thin air?

The fact of the matter is, the M3 vs 335i is completely relevant to the thread. If you look at the direction they've been going with the ///M cars, there's a VERY obvious move away from true sports vehicles and more towards powerful luxury cars. Look at the M versions of the X Line for example.

It's not that I don't want a lightweight 1 Series, it's that I don't believe pretending it's going to happen on an internet forum makes much sense.
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      10-13-2009, 06:49 PM   #91
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I noticed they cut some from the front fender too. Nice!
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nice!
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      10-13-2009, 07:40 PM   #94
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My source for the roof savings would be be the engineers at BMW ///M and materials do you want their names? It is between 11 and 20lbs less for a CF to a steel one (I have been given 2 numbers- early to late and not sure) and about 45 for one with a sunroof.
I've heard the same numbers. I'm pretty sure you can go through the original press releases for the ///M3 and ///M6 to get the numbers. I'm just too lazy to do it. FWIW, I think my estimates are pretty solid in terms of weight.
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i wanna see more pics and more info about those
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Would be nice if they add in some technology like MDCT or adjustable suspension.
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10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3.......

Countdown until 135 owners say their modded JB3 135i's are faster/better than this car when it comes out.
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      10-13-2009, 08:29 PM   #98
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10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3.......

Countdown until 135 owners say their modded JB3 135i's are faster/better than this car when it comes out.

I've been waiting for it all day. Nobody has said it yet. Everyone seems to be supportive so far. It's hard to beat OEM badassery. I can't wait to get the specs.
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My guess is this is the next generation 1er under a current generation 1er body...

Wider track and huge brakes, looks like the next 1er will rock!
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I hope it has a proper LSD!
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      10-13-2009, 09:01 PM   #101
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Those rims look to me as a new OEM interpretation of the CSL wheels, not reps...
Exactly. Plus, you can see the little rectangle where the M badge is by the lugs.
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      10-13-2009, 09:31 PM   #102
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The rims are sick tho!
A lot more agressive then the original CSL wheels.
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      10-13-2009, 09:53 PM   #103
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They really need to get this thing under 3000 lbs to be successful. It would be a testament to their technology and mechanical skills. The only way to achieve this would be having a turbo 4-badger engine. Then to be successful, BMW needs to keep this around $40,000 or less since it is a 4-badger.

The M3 weights more than the 335i because it has a V8 versus a V6 in the 335i. The M3 is a phenomenal car.
You might be onto something based on an article on Motor Trend's website. The article is about the Z4, but it also extensively discusses the 1M:


http://www.motortrend.com/future/spi...ine/index.html




Turbo Four for BMW Z4

But Will There Be an M? Engine Also Slated for 1 Series M Car
October 13, 2009
/ By Todd Lassa



BMW is seriously considering launching its new turbocharged four-cylinder engine in the Z4 sports car, Motor Trend has learned, even after M Division chief Ludwig Willisch said before retiring last summer that the engine was designed for a 1 Series M.
Why the Z4 before the 1? Product cadence. BMW won't have an all-new 1 Series until calendar 2012, the 2013 model year in North America. The turbo four is being readied, and BMW isn't in the habit of launching an all-new engine in an all-new car at the same time. BMW is basing its turbo four on the 2.0-liter gas direct-injection four, rated 170 horsepower and 155 pound-feet in normally aspirated form.


The 1 Series M will reportedly weigh less than 2900 pounds and, to be a proper M car, the new engine must make more than 300 horsepower, Willisch told MT earlier this year ("Trend," June 2009). The name we're hearing for it, by the way, is 1M, to avoid confusion with the iconic BMW M1 supercar.So the Z4 turbo four will be an M too, right? Hold on: Willisch was adamant that there would be no M version of the new Z4, which has been repositioned slightly to compete more directly with the Mercedes-Benz SLK. He said that just as BMW was revealing its X5 M and X6 M and just before he retired.


Willisch's replacement, former Mini chief Kay Segler, has been silent on the Z4 M issue. He confirmed M's plan for a turbo four and said the next M3 would switch back to a six-cylinder engine. The Z4 turbo four may be called a Z4 M or simply, a Z4 with M Power. The turbo four is said to be so much lighter than the twin-turbo six that its weight may overcome the 10-percent power deficit.
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      10-13-2009, 10:18 PM   #104
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what if this is just some guy who is creating a custom WB?
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      10-13-2009, 10:21 PM   #105
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You might be onto something based on an article on Motor Trend's website. The article is about the Z4, but it also extensively discusses the 1M:


http://www.motortrend.com/future/spi...ine/index.html




Turbo Four for BMW Z4

But Will There Be an M? Engine Also Slated for 1 Series M Car
October 13, 2009
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BMW is seriously considering launching its new turbocharged four-cylinder engine in the Z4 sports car, Motor Trend has learned, even after M Division chief Ludwig Willisch said before retiring last summer that the engine was designed for a 1 Series M.
Why the Z4 before the 1? Product cadence. BMW won't have an all-new 1 Series until calendar 2012, the 2013 model year in North America. The turbo four is being readied, and BMW isn't in the habit of launching an all-new engine in an all-new car at the same time. BMW is basing its turbo four on the 2.0-liter gas direct-injection four, rated 170 horsepower and 155 pound-feet in normally aspirated form.
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The 1 Series M will reportedly weigh less than 2900 pounds and, to be a proper M car, the new engine must make more than 300 horsepower, Willisch told MT earlier this year ("Trend," June 2009). The name we're hearing for it, by the way, is 1M, to avoid confusion with the iconic BMW M1 supercar.So the Z4 turbo four will be an M too, right? Hold on: Willisch was adamant that there would be no M version of the new Z4, which has been repositioned slightly to compete more directly with the Mercedes-Benz SLK. He said that just as BMW was revealing its X5 M and X6 M and just before he retired.


Willisch's replacement, former Mini chief Kay Segler, has been silent on the Z4 M issue. He confirmed M's plan for a turbo four and said the next M3 would switch back to a six-cylinder engine. The Z4 turbo four may be called a Z4 M or simply, a Z4 with M Power. The turbo four is said to be so much lighter than the twin-turbo six that its weight may overcome the 10-percent power deficit.


Having it be a true ///M car is blessing and a curse. On one hand it'll be EPIC and on the other its gonna get a 20k bump in cost.
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      10-13-2009, 10:23 PM   #106
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There aint no "what if." Insiders that have built a reputation over years have said it's the real deal. Too bad they cant divulge too much info at this point.

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Having it be a true ///M car is blessing and a curse. On one hand it'll be EPIC and on the other its gonna get a 20k bump in cost.
It wont cost as much as an //M3. That should be a given.
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      10-13-2009, 10:31 PM   #107
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given BMW's pricing schemes, I would guess mid to high-mid 40k range
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given BMW's pricing schemes, I would guess mid to high-mid 40k range
That sounds about right. Gives it a decent 10,000 price gap between the //M3. I've seen EVO's and STI's asking for 40k. Strange world we live in.
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I think this is a BMW performance version of the 135i. As someone mentioned like a CSL concept. I say it will have the uprated N54 engine not a TT 4-cyl. It looks like it has the BMW performance exhaust on there, the way it sticks out so much. I wonder when they will come out with 'Ring photos of this.
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