GTS-R vs. MSW Type 16

Judge · 07-19-2009, 05:00 PM

I am deciding between the GTS-R ($306) and MSW Type 16 ($153) for my Jet Black 135i. I like the look of the GTS-R but they're twice as expensive. Any thoughts on the two?

HondaGoneRogue · 07-19-2009, 05:02 PM

I love the Breytons. And I'm betting that they are more expensive because they are lighter. I was suprised at how light they are. If weight isn't a factor, I would go for the more unique MSW's. Everybody and thier grandma has the Breytons.

twin fed · 07-19-2009, 08:18 PM

Yeah I agree. Go with something different. Why get what everyone else has, especially if they cost less. What size are you going with?

Judge · 07-19-2009, 08:58 PM

I'll probably stick with 18s because my stock tires are nowhere needing replacement and I don't want to buy new ones yet. And while the cheaper wheels are certainly worth considering, the big weight difference might be worth the price of the more expensive wheels.

JohnL135I · 07-19-2009, 09:23 PM

Judge, just a heads up....
I have a used set of Black GTS-R's(red stripe) if your interested. One wheel had to be repaired because discount tire scratched the rim when removing the factory run flat tire. The rim was repaired and you can't tell it was touched up. I'll be posting the wheels up in a day or two with pics on the forums. I'm still trying to determine what price I will be asking, but the rims are in great shape and have never been curbed.

rotelly · 07-19-2009, 10:46 PM

the msw look to much like the tsw and everyone has those.

radiantm3 · 07-19-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by twin fed

Yeah I agree. Go with something different. Why get what everyone else has, especially if they cost less. What size are you going with?

Why get something "worse", just to be different? I'm all for individuality, but I'd rather spend my money on a better product regardless of whether everyone has it or not. I got the breytons because they look great, fitment is perfect (designed specifically for our cars), and they are lighter than stock. And you can't beat the price either. Everyone on the forums might have them, but the chance of you seeing another 1er with breytons is pretty slim IMO. Hard enough spotting another 1.

infinitekidM2C · 07-20-2009, 05:37 PM

It just seems like everyone has them because we don't have many choices..i dont see many 1'ers on the road as it is...i have never seen one in person with those Bretyons which have proper offsets and very light..i would go with them

Judge · 07-20-2009, 05:44 PM

I'm likely going with Breyton even though I'm not yet sold on the performance advantage. I just read an article somewhere that with new tires and GTS-R wheels the author still could only match his initial 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds with stock. However I guess with the bar set that high you can't expect to beat that time with simply lighter wheels.

HondaGoneRogue · 07-20-2009, 05:53 PM

There's really nothing to be sold on. Lighter wheels are better, period. My quad exhaust really doesn't do much except sound better, but it's lighter than stock somehow, so it's better IMO. Unsprung weight reduction helps tremendously with braking, accel, etc. You might not see huge gains in 0-60 but that could be a number of reasons. Like you said, the bar is set high. I would think tires would become a problem before the weight of the wheels when running at the lower end of the powerband. Get what you like. I love the breytons and recommend them whole heartedly. If you can afford them get them!

HondaGoneRogue · 07-20-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

It just seems like everyone has them because we don't have many choices..i dont see many 1'ers on the road as it is...i have never seen one in person with those Bretyons which have proper offsets and very light..i would go with them

There are 2 of us on my base with them. I have black and the other guy has grey. But there are also probrably 25 1ers here too.

infinitekidM2C · 07-20-2009, 06:07 PM

I guess my point is you wont see them on the streets often....these forums..that's another story

HondaGoneRogue · 07-20-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

I guess my point is you wont see them on the streets often....these forums..that's another story

Good to hear that. I can't wait to get back to the states. It's gonna be nice to be different for a change.

tjockey · 07-20-2009, 07:55 PM

I've got the black GTS-R's and love them..I've found some CF center caps and wondered if the stock size will fit the GTS-R's....Car is in TN or I would measure myself....

HondaGoneRogue · 07-20-2009, 08:00 PM

I was just gonna ask for pics.

yourfriend · 07-24-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tjockey

I've got the black GTS-R's and love them..I've found some CF center caps and wondered if the stock size will fit the GTS-R's....Car is in TN or I would measure myself....

the stock center caps do fit the gts-r's, i put the ones from my stock wheels into the breyton's the day i bought them.

Gary@TireRack · 07-24-2009, 04:59 PM

^^^ +1

atal · 07-25-2009, 04:14 AM

Here is my 135 with MSw type 20 19''by8'' ET38 all around. Name: msw type 20.jpg
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Judge · 07-27-2009, 07:08 AM

Anyone know if the "suction cup" method works on the Breyton caps? There are a few different combinations I want to try out and would like to avoid removing the wheels if possible.

Upgrade+ · 07-27-2009, 09:17 AM

I saw the MSW type 16 during the winter on tirerack and thought wow, that's a good price. But I had done some searching for cars with them on and did not like what I saw. They looked a bit cheap, smallish and looked to boy racer. Here is a pic on a white audi a4:

http://render-2.snapfish.com/render2.../of=50,590,442

bran1093 · 07-27-2009, 10:34 AM

breytons definately

heel2toe · 07-27-2009, 04:51 PM

i'd go with the msw's. im a fan of the five spoke on a 1er.

07-19-2009, 05:00 PM	#1
Judge First Lieutenant 38 Rep 395 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	GTS-R vs. MSW Type 16 I am deciding between the GTS-R ($306) and MSW Type 16 ($153) for my Jet Black 135i. I like the look of the GTS-R but they're twice as expensive. Any thoughts on the two?
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HondaGoneRogue They like my Swag... 433 Rep 3,762 Posts Drives: 15 GSM 435i GC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: South Dakota iTrader: (4) Garage List 2015 435i Gran Coupe [0.00]	I love the Breytons. And I'm betting that they are more expensive because they are lighter. I was suprised at how light they are. If weight isn't a factor, I would go for the more unique MSW's. Everybody and thier grandma has the Breytons. __________________ 2015 435i Gran Coupe - Current 2008 AW 135i - Sold Last edited by HondaGoneRogue; 07-19-2009 at 08:45 PM..
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twin fed Doc Brown 1176 Rep 2,174 Posts Drives: 2016 MG MT M2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Isle of Long iTrader: (2)	Yeah I agree. Go with something different. Why get what everyone else has, especially if they cost less. What size are you going with? __________________
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07-19-2009, 08:58 PM	#4
Judge First Lieutenant 38 Rep 395 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	I'll probably stick with 18s because my stock tires are nowhere needing replacement and I don't want to buy new ones yet. And while the cheaper wheels are certainly worth considering, the big weight difference might be worth the price of the more expensive wheels.
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JohnL135I Donkey Kong King 89 Rep 1,129 Posts Drives: 2012 Boss 302 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sahuarita, AZ iTrader: (3)	Judge, just a heads up.... I have a used set of Black GTS-R's(red stripe) if your interested. One wheel had to be repaired because discount tire scratched the rim when removing the factory run flat tire. The rim was repaired and you can't tell it was touched up. I'll be posting the wheels up in a day or two with pics on the forums. I'm still trying to determine what price I will be asking, but the rims are in great shape and have never been curbed. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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rotelly Private First Class 2 Rep 144 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: seattle iTrader: (1)	the msw look to much like the tsw and everyone has those. __________________
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07-20-2009, 05:37 PM	#8
infinitekidM2C Major General 4207 Rep 5,728 Posts Drives: 2019 M2 Competition Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (4) Garage List 2019 M2 COMPETITION [9.50] 2008 135i (my old car) [7.39]	It just seems like everyone has them because we don't have many choices..i dont see many 1'ers on the road as it is...i have never seen one in person with those Bretyons which have proper offsets and very light..i would go with them
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07-20-2009, 05:44 PM	#9
Judge First Lieutenant 38 Rep 395 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	I'm likely going with Breyton even though I'm not yet sold on the performance advantage. I just read an article somewhere that with new tires and GTS-R wheels the author still could only match his initial 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds with stock. However I guess with the bar set that high you can't expect to beat that time with simply lighter wheels.
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07-20-2009, 05:53 PM	#10
HondaGoneRogue They like my Swag... 433 Rep 3,762 Posts Drives: 15 GSM 435i GC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: South Dakota iTrader: (4) Garage List 2015 435i Gran Coupe [0.00]	There's really nothing to be sold on. Lighter wheels are better, period. My quad exhaust really doesn't do much except sound better, but it's lighter than stock somehow, so it's better IMO. Unsprung weight reduction helps tremendously with braking, accel, etc. You might not see huge gains in 0-60 but that could be a number of reasons. Like you said, the bar is set high. I would think tires would become a problem before the weight of the wheels when running at the lower end of the powerband. Get what you like. I love the breytons and recommend them whole heartedly. If you can afford them get them! __________________ 2015 435i Gran Coupe - Current 2008 AW 135i - Sold
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infinitekidM2C Major General 4207 Rep 5,728 Posts Drives: 2019 M2 Competition Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (4) Garage List 2019 M2 COMPETITION [9.50] 2008 135i (my old car) [7.39]	I guess my point is you wont see them on the streets often....these forums..that's another story
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07-20-2009, 07:55 PM	#14
tjockey Second Lieutenant 5 Rep 283 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (2)	I've got the black GTS-R's and love them..I've found some CF center caps and wondered if the stock size will fit the GTS-R's....Car is in TN or I would measure myself....
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HondaGoneRogue They like my Swag... 433 Rep 3,762 Posts Drives: 15 GSM 435i GC Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: South Dakota iTrader: (4) Garage List 2015 435i Gran Coupe [0.00]	I was just gonna ask for pics. __________________ 2015 435i Gran Coupe - Current 2008 AW 135i - Sold
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07-25-2009, 04:14 AM	#18
atal atal 0 Rep 28 Posts Drives: 135i terracota int sp/pr pack Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	MSW Here is my 135 with MSw type 20 19''by8'' ET38 all around.
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07-27-2009, 07:08 AM	#19
Judge First Lieutenant 38 Rep 395 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	Anyone know if the "suction cup" method works on the Breyton caps? There are a few different combinations I want to try out and would like to avoid removing the wheels if possible.
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07-27-2009, 09:17 AM	#20
Upgrade+ Good life 130 Rep 1,937 Posts Drives: 2008 E90 M3 AW Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NY iTrader: (8)	I saw the MSW type 16 during the winter on tirerack and thought wow, that's a good price. But I had done some searching for cars with them on and did not like what I saw. They looked a bit cheap, smallish and looked to boy racer. Here is a pic on a white audi a4: http://render-2.snapfish.com/render2.../of=50,590,442 __________________ Current: 08 E90 M3 Alpine White Former: 11 135i Msport Space Gray -Former: 07 335i Titanium Silver E92- Former: 08 135i Alpine White E82- Past: 06 Subaru STI WRB- Past: 04 Audi S4 Imola yellow- Past:97 Honda prelude Ice blue
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07-27-2009, 10:34 AM	#21
bran1093 Enlisted Member 1 Rep 31 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: cherry hill iTrader: (0)	breytons definately
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heel2toe New Member 3 Rep 25 Posts Drives: nothin fun yet Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Medfield, MA iTrader: (0)	i'd go with the msw's. im a fan of the five spoke on a 1er.
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