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      05-25-2011, 04:01 PM   #45
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I have owned all of them except the R and I even rate the 1M above my 911's. Porsche are great but having owned the 1M for a couple of weeks I can say it's an exceptional car.
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Yes, anyone who has driven them and isn't being biased will tell you the same. Same reason why the cayman and boxster year in and year put are proclaimed by journalists and enthusiast as the best handling cars at any price and are the best drivers cars that are as good as you can get until you start gettig into gt piracies, lambos etc.

Year in and year out: this is a new year, and a new M model. Therefore possible that bests get dethrowned.

Lol...real good way to let others make decisions for you.

You just said that journalists influence your blind love for cayman/boxer so how is that different from me?

The cayman s/r is a
Far better car in every regard unless it's imperative you need a back seat.
Who couldn't use an extra backseat for back-to-highschool seks?
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This thread is a piss fest over nothing. People who wants a Cayman doesn't care much for a backseat so it's pointless trying to convince someone an attribute he doesn't value. Similarly 1M buyers are value conscious therefore giving up a minute amount of intangible quality such as driving experience for ten of thousands is acceptable.

Personally I like the Cayman. It's more aesthetically pleasing, more focused and purposeful machine, after living with cars who wants to part of both world I need a specialist. Like I hypothesize I believe most of these rags use the same shock tactic to hook the readers into buying but within a limit so it still make sense. Take comparison between Ferrari F430 vs. 1M as example: 1M wins because it's 100k cheaper, plus a real boot and seats 4. Who is going to believe that.
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Im willing to put 10K in escrow right now and bet you that the cayman/boxster wont be dethroned by a 1m in best handling or best drivers cars.
I have actually OWNED a cayman S and have a lot of seat time in a boxster spyder so no blind love here...thats youre style. I dont just listen to what is written about a car, i actually base nearly all of what I say on experience on cars ive owned (and it has been a lot) or having a lot of seat time in them. So, again, unlike you I dont have blind love for what is probably the best sports car at any price.
to your insinuation that I base all knowledge on reviews by others - I don't, but for now it is all I have without having test driven the 1M. One day soon I will and will fully evaluate it for myself, but for now all I can go on is reviews, which are overwhelmingly positive and very exciting.

My point to debating 1M vs. Porsche is just to throw out the idea that the 1M might be in the same league as Cayman. Not a replacement for Cayman, but possibly in the same league based on outstanding reviews (1 of which is the topic of this thread).
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      05-25-2011, 05:44 PM   #50
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Im willing to put 10K in escrow right now and bet you that the cayman/boxster wont be dethroned by a 1m in best handling or best drivers cars.
I have actually OWNED a cayman S and have a lot of seat time in a boxster spyder so no blind love here...thats youre style. I dont just listen to what is written about a car, i actually base nearly all of what I say on experience on cars ive owned (and it has been a lot) or having a lot of seat time in them. So, again, unlike you I dont have blind love for what is probably the best sports car at any price.
Others make a legitimate point though, especially using experience as key argument, is how can one be certain CR is a better car when one hasn't driven both cars back to back.

Throwing money out there doesn't prove one's argument. Argument should stand alone by itself and I think you have given a convincing story so far minus money in escrow
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My point to debating 1M vs. Porsche is just to throw out the idea that the 1M might be in the same league as Cayman. Not a replacement for Cayman, but possibly in the same league based on outstanding reviews (1 of which is the topic of this thread).
Naaaaaa, throwing 1M vs CR is just making an interesting story. People usually don't cross shop cars that are 20k apart.
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      05-25-2011, 06:37 PM   #52
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My point wasnt trying to prove anything, but in how confident I am based on what I know that the cayman S/R or boxster spyder will continue to reign supreme as the best driver's car and the best handling cars.
Note that I have not said the 1M is a bad car...i dont think it is. Its not my favorite ride...still prefer the m3 to one...but I can comment later when I have more seat time than I have in one. Ill def be able to beat the shit out of one pretty soon and will punish it from every aspect.
I have owned my fair share of Porsche and M products (and BMW products in general) and think they both make a great car...some of the the best out the bar none, but I just think Porsche does it better (than everyone).



Thats weird because no other review has said that are in the same league. The 1M will excel at being more practical, whereas a Cayman will excel when it comes to fun factor, feel & precision, track ability, performance, etc.
They really arent in the same league. Even on worse tires, the Cayman R's performance proves superior in all aspects.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=526751
Your link shows Cayman R inferior to Audi RS3, good point.
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....Same reason why the cayman and boxster year in and year put are proclaimed by journalists and enthusiast as the best handling car at any price and are the best drivers cars.....Lol...real good way to let others make decisions for you.....
I had to laugh. Your posts are usually well supported but really? Can you discount when someone else uses journalists/enthusiasts as reference, until they can actually drive the car, as "biased" or it's "letting others make decisions for you." and then YOU do exactly the same thing in your own post!
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Really? Other than the wet lap and meaningless 6th gear acceleration, what area did the rs3 beat the cayman R?
1st place - Audi RS3 (251/300 points, 84 %)
2nd place - Porsche Cayman R PDK (245/300 points, 82 %)
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      05-25-2011, 07:10 PM   #55
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My 2 cents for whats its worth, I plan on replacing my 997S with a 1M when it gets here in August, for the simple fact the 1M will be more practical and therefore more livable which means I will probably drive it more often, which translates to more time behind the wheel more enjoyment therefore better value all round.

I remember test driving a 135i when they first came out and I commented to the dealer at the time, that if I bought one I would probably never drive the Porsche.

I know the Porsche is probably better in so many respects but the margin is so small that the added usability of the 1M makes it a no brainer for me.
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      05-25-2011, 07:15 PM   #56
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My 2 cents for whats its worth, I plan on replacing my 997S with a 1M when it gets here in August, for the simple fact the 1M will be more practical and therefore more livable which means I will probably drive it more often, which translates to more time behind the wheel more enjoyment therefore better value all round.

I remember test driving a 135i when they first came out and I commented to the dealer at the time, that if I bought one I would probably never drive the Porsche.

I know the Porsche is probably better in so many respects but the margin is so small that the added usability of the 1M makes it a no brainer for me.
I want to wait at least 18 mo to see what issue 1M may have and if I can live with them.
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      05-25-2011, 07:28 PM   #57
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My 2 cents for whats its worth, I plan on replacing my 997S with a 1M when it gets here in August, for the simple fact the 1M will be more practical and therefore more livable which means I will probably drive it more often, which translates to more time behind the wheel more enjoyment therefore better value all round.

I remember test driving a 135i when they first came out and I commented to the dealer at the time, that if I bought one I would probably never drive the Porsche.

I know the Porsche is probably better in so many respects but the margin is so small that the added usability of the 1M makes it a no brainer for me.
I must say there is something quite satisfying about that second car in the garage (father has a 2007 Z4 3.0si), when your only purpose for driving the car is pleasure, you get a nice outlook on it.

But there is also something nice about doing both with one car, being less greedy/wasteful

In application to Porsche vs. BMW debate, we considered Porsche boxster instead of z4 roadster, but in the end styling and performance (engine) of BMW prevailed.
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My 2 cents for whats its worth, I plan on replacing my 997S with a 1M when it gets here in August, for the simple fact the 1M will be more practical and therefore more livable which means I will probably drive it more often, which translates to more time behind the wheel more enjoyment therefore better value all round.

I remember test driving a 135i when they first came out and I commented to the dealer at the time, that if I bought one I would probably never drive the Porsche.

I know the Porsche is probably better in so many respects but the margin is so small that the added usability of the 1M makes it a no brainer for me.
Well said midlifer man! So true for so many cars.....
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Im willing to put 10K in escrow right now and bet you that the cayman/boxster wont be dethroned by a 1m in best handling or best drivers cars.
I have actually OWNED a cayman S and have a lot of seat time in a boxster spyder so no blind love here...thats youre style. I dont just listen to what is written about a car, i actually base nearly all of what I say on experience on cars ive owned (and it has been a lot) or having a lot of seat time in them. So, again, unlike you I dont have blind love for what is probably the best sports car at any price.
I have owned a 135i for 3 years and driven a buddies Cayman S quite alot.
Though the Cayman is better balanced by a small bit, the 135 is a far more entertaining driver for the road IMHO. Same goes for the M3.
Both cayman and m3 are great cars, but neither have the torque the 135 does up and down its power band.

And for daily fun that makes the 135i far more entertaining and appealing to me than either Cayman S or M3 to me.

I don't live near enough a track to make it worth my while to spend 20K more for .2 seconds per lap.

Tho the Cayman S is hands down the most beautiful of the cars, the 1 M is fun every day and fun can be had all the way from bottom to top of the power band. (Assuming the 1M is just a 135i on steriods, my 135 is a twin turbo N54 from 2008)

But alas 15-20K more for looks also isn't worth it unless you just have money to burn.

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I have owned a 135i for 3 years and driven a buddies Cayman S quite alot.
Though the Cayman is better balanced by a small bit, the 135 is a far more entertaining driver for the road IMHO. Same goes for the M3.
Both cayman and m3 are great cars, but neither have the torque the 135 does up and down its power band.

And for daily fun that makes the 135i far more entertaining and appealing to me than either Cayman S or M3 to me.

I don't live near enough a track to make it worth my while to spend 20K more for .2 seconds per lap.

Tho the Cayman S is hands down the most beautiful of the cars, the 1 M is fun every day and fun can be had all the way from bottom to top of the power band. (Assuming the 1M is just a 135i on steriods, my 135 is a twin turbo N54 from 2008)

But alas 15-20K more for looks also isn't worth it unless you just have money to burn.

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They mention pretty clearly if it was purely performance the Porsche wins. Cayman R doesn't have a radio of a/c I think. No big deal if it's a track car, but most of us like to take these kind of cars out on the strip to watch heads turn sometimes. I may even want to take a girl for a spin, no a/c and radio is a kicker for me.
The Cayman R starts out as a stripped down car, but you can add all the necessary daily driveability as options. Yes, it is more expensive, and no, it is not "custom" or "special order." The Cayman R can be just as daily driveable as the 1M but at a much higher expense (which puts the 1M has a huge advantage). I'd still go with Cayman R that green color it has is damn gorgeous!!

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The Cayman R can be just as daily driveable as the 1M but at a much higher expense (which puts the 1M has a huge advantage).
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I have owned a 135i for 3 years and driven a buddies Cayman S quite alot.
Though the Cayman is better balanced by a small bit, the 135 is a far more entertaining driver for the road IMHO. Same goes for the M3.
Both cayman and m3 are great cars, but neither have the torque the 135 does up and down its power band.

And for daily fun that makes the 135i far more entertaining and appealing to me than either Cayman S or M3 to me.

I don't live near enough a track to make it worth my while to spend 20K more for .2 seconds per lap.

Tho the Cayman S is hands down the most beautiful of the cars, the 1 M is fun every day and fun can be had all the way from bottom to top of the power band. (Assuming the 1M is just a 135i on steriods, my 135 is a twin turbo N54 from 2008)

But alas 15-20K more for looks also isn't worth it unless you just have money to burn.

My 2 Cents.
If torque is what makes your 135i so much fun (and I agree with you entirely), then check out the dino figures on the 1M.

Stock, it's in a different league ....and that's before you even start talking about the M LSD, the chassis etc etc etc

The 1M is worth every cent over the 135...
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I have owned a 135i for 3 years and driven a buddies Cayman S quite alot.
Though the Cayman is better balanced by a small bit, the 135 is a far more entertaining driver for the road IMHO. Same goes for the M3.
Both cayman and m3 are great cars, but neither have the torque the 135 does up and down its power band.

And for daily fun that makes the 135i far more entertaining and appealing to me than either Cayman S or M3 to me.

I don't live near enough a track to make it worth my while to spend 20K more for .2 seconds per lap.

Tho the Cayman S is hands down the most beautiful of the cars, the 1 M is fun every day and fun can be had all the way from bottom to top of the power band. (Assuming the 1M is just a 135i on steriods, my 135 is a twin turbo N54 from 2008)

But alas 15-20K more for looks also isn't worth it unless you just have money to burn.

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Your throught sums up my experience in the CS as well but since it was a test drive I didn't rev above 4k where that inline 6 really shines. What was apparent was how neutral Cayman felt during a 90 deg turn versus body roll on the 135i. For raw power, adrenaline, and head against the back seat thrust 135i beats the CS gen-1
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Your throught sums up my experience in the CS as well but since it was a test drive I didn't rev above 4k where that inline 6 really shines. What was apparent was how neutral Cayman felt during a 90 deg turn versus body roll on the 135i. For raw power, adrenaline, and head against the back seat thrust 135i beats the CS gen-1

Not sure about the US but we are getting the Cayman Black edition here in Aus, Cayman R engine tweaks and lowered suspension on 19's. Same money as a S with the specs of a R (with a bit more weight of course) In Aus it means a saving of about US$22k Black S versus R. Quoted 0-100 is 0.1 secs slower, big deal.

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Oh god... Not another one of these reviews that the BMW wins due to it's daily drivability..

The Porsche is leagues better than the 1M performance wise.. For example: the Cayman R laps Hockenheim in 1:12.4 (which is faster than a M3 GTS, Ferrari f430, Audi R8 V10, Porsche 911 GTS with PDK, And obviously the M3 and 1M). THE 1M GOES AROUND IN 1:14.1.

Give me a break.. You are comparing sports cars and their performance capabilities are not the most heavily weighted characteristics? Sure the Cayman R is more expensive, but it's also faster than BMW's most expensive M3 GTS around the track..

This comparison is a joke, I would take the cayman r any day over the 1M. I would actually never buy the 1M but would buy the cayman r if it's replacement wasn't coming out next year.
thank you! I could not have said it better myself.

This review is a joke and should be disregarded.
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