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I have owned all of them except the R and I even rate the 1M above my 911's. Porsche are great but having owned the 1M for a couple of weeks I can say it's an exceptional car.
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05-25-2011, 05:04 PM | #47 |
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This thread is a piss fest over nothing. People who wants a Cayman doesn't care much for a backseat so it's pointless trying to convince someone an attribute he doesn't value. Similarly 1M buyers are value conscious therefore giving up a minute amount of intangible quality such as driving experience for ten of thousands is acceptable.
Personally I like the Cayman. It's more aesthetically pleasing, more focused and purposeful machine, after living with cars who wants to part of both world I need a specialist. Like I hypothesize I believe most of these rags use the same shock tactic to hook the readers into buying but within a limit so it still make sense. Take comparison between Ferrari F430 vs. 1M as example: 1M wins because it's 100k cheaper, plus a real boot and seats 4. Who is going to believe that.
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My point to debating 1M vs. Porsche is just to throw out the idea that the 1M might be in the same league as Cayman. Not a replacement for Cayman, but possibly in the same league based on outstanding reviews (1 of which is the topic of this thread).
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Throwing money out there doesn't prove one's argument. Argument should stand alone by itself and I think you have given a convincing story so far minus money in escrow
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Naaaaaa, throwing 1M vs CR is just making an interesting story. People usually don't cross shop cars that are 20k apart.
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I had to laugh. Your posts are usually well supported but really? Can you discount when someone else uses journalists/enthusiasts as reference, until they can actually drive the car, as "biased" or it's "letting others make decisions for you." and then YOU do exactly the same thing in your own post!
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2nd place - Porsche Cayman R PDK (245/300 points, 82 %)
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My 2 cents for whats its worth, I plan on replacing my 997S with a 1M when it gets here in August, for the simple fact the 1M will be more practical and therefore more livable which means I will probably drive it more often, which translates to more time behind the wheel more enjoyment therefore better value all round.
I remember test driving a 135i when they first came out and I commented to the dealer at the time, that if I bought one I would probably never drive the Porsche. I know the Porsche is probably better in so many respects but the margin is so small that the added usability of the 1M makes it a no brainer for me.
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But there is also something nice about doing both with one car, being less greedy/wasteful In application to Porsche vs. BMW debate, we considered Porsche boxster instead of z4 roadster, but in the end styling and performance (engine) of BMW prevailed.
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Though the Cayman is better balanced by a small bit, the 135 is a far more entertaining driver for the road IMHO. Same goes for the M3. Both cayman and m3 are great cars, but neither have the torque the 135 does up and down its power band. And for daily fun that makes the 135i far more entertaining and appealing to me than either Cayman S or M3 to me. I don't live near enough a track to make it worth my while to spend 20K more for .2 seconds per lap. Tho the Cayman S is hands down the most beautiful of the cars, the 1 M is fun every day and fun can be had all the way from bottom to top of the power band. (Assuming the 1M is just a 135i on steriods, my 135 is a twin turbo N54 from 2008) But alas 15-20K more for looks also isn't worth it unless you just have money to burn. My 2 Cents. |
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Yeah, who needs air-conditioning or doorhandles?!
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Stock, it's in a different league ....and that's before you even start talking about the M LSD, the chassis etc etc etc The 1M is worth every cent over the 135...
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Not sure about the US but we are getting the Cayman Black edition here in Aus, Cayman R engine tweaks and lowered suspension on 19's. Same money as a S with the specs of a R (with a bit more weight of course) In Aus it means a saving of about US$22k Black S versus R. Quoted 0-100 is 0.1 secs slower, big deal. Problem is if you don't like a black car... move on |
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This review is a joke and should be disregarded. |
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