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      06-22-2010, 10:04 PM   #23
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I think it's pretty simple to boil down...

If you're going automatic, go N55. Period . EVERYONE raves about how the DCT is better than the step. (I have a N54 step)

If you're going stick, it'll be up to you and how fast you plan on tuning. If you're looking for quick, guaranteed power, go N54. If you are willing to wait and see what develops, go N55.
Good summation.. I'm waiting to "see what develops" but in no rush to kill my warranty should a flash or piggy come along....
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      06-22-2010, 10:08 PM   #24
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Good summation.. I'm waiting to "see what develops" but in no rush to kill my warranty should a flash or piggy come along....
How are things Shadyside way? I love that hood!

Yep I'm curious as well, the N55 could turn out to be generally slower than the N54 potential...or could end up blowing the N54 outta the water. I mean the fact the N55 has the 'launch control' option is sweet enough.


And things are good in the shadyside area, same old same old, houses still selling for insane prices, despite the 'recession' haha
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Don't know which Habberstad they were at. Funny thing is, ALL the Cars I'm Looking at say to Call For Price.

Everything except the "Special Edition" at Competition, which is $47,9xx, but when I say it's got EVERYTHING, it's got it all, and then some, so I dunno? Maybe it's worth it.

With the N55 being so New, and Reading all the Reviews about how Under-Rated the N54 was, People are wondering about the N55, if the Ratings are True, or Under-Rated as well.
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trust me, they're true. I've driven a bunch of N54 powered cars... 335's, 135's, 535's. All were pretty quick but there is something to this N55. Don't think BMW just chopped a turbo off and said here ya go. The single turbo is a much healtheir size that the twins were and the addition of the double VANOS makes this kitty puuuuuurrrrrrr. Hell, just hearing the stock exhaust note tells you this car means bidness. I'm pretty sure if I clocked myself 0-60 I'd be hitting just a hair over 5 sec with the 6MT, I'm sure the DCT would do it just a hair faster too. Hell I can almost hit 60mph in 1st gear. The N54 just felt like it was under worked (and I know this is talking about a stock one but still). The N55 feels like its pushing itself a little harder and thus more sporty stock. My thoughts are - potential of N54 with lots of mods/tuning is really good, but unreliable as history has proven. The N55 should be more of a solid car with the single turbo which will most likely be able to handle ALMOST just as much tuning without so many issues. Also consider 1-2 yrs down the road, it's not gonna cost you an arm and a leg to upgrade BOTH turbos but only 1/2 as much to throw a bigger setup on this if that's what you're after (and with a single turbo setup I think we'll see a lot more companies come out with turbo upgrades. I see a lot of potential coming out of this motor in the next few years. JB3 will most likely be out before the end of summer so with that in mind you'll probably just be getting out of your break in period anyway so that should get you going right off the bat until the rest of the world starts making parts which should be too far off.

On top of that someone else made a great point about your resale value taking a dump right away on the 09 since its now 2 MY's behind.
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      06-23-2010, 12:53 AM   #27
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Although BMW would never admit officially, according to the issues and complaints occured in the N54, we can almost 'guess with confident' that: the sudden release of N54 (first in the 2007 335i), is a temparory/rush tactic that BMW performed to respond to the 2006 IS350 challenge.

In 2007, although the N54 has been R&D for a while, it was not completely ready for production release. If Lexus did not reveal the 300hp level IS350 in 2006, IMO BMW would not released the N54 so early. That said, if IS350 never exists, ideally BMW would do more research and test, then release the 'perfect version' of the N54 several years later (like 2008, 2009 etc) . Anyway, history is history, no one can change things that have already happened.

N55 is a product based on the lesson BMW learned from N54, plus several years of market investigation and further research/engineering/testing.
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      06-23-2010, 10:57 AM   #28
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Ok, so maybe I'll Hold Out till the '11's become more Readily Avail on the Lot. Becuase everywhere I Looked at the Online Inventory, 11's are RARE.

...and maybe by then, they'll be Running some Nice Incentives for New Buyers.
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Just go into your dealer and they can allocate one off the boat for you. Thats what mine did and I got my car almost a month ago
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      06-23-2010, 11:34 AM   #30
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Just go into your dealer and they can allocate one off the boat for you. Thats what mine did and I got my car almost a month ago
Yes, special order is the way to go.

Then do a Performance Center Delivery in South Carolina....
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not even a special order though. When you tell your CA what you're looking for he or she can search what is on the boats or at port. If you put a down payment in and/or fill out a credit app you become a "priority 1" customer and even if that car is scheduled to go to another dealership as stock but isn't spoken for they can trade for it fairly easily since it hasn't been shipped anywhere yet.
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      06-23-2010, 01:47 PM   #32
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Alright, well this is all Good Info you Guys have gave me.

Back when I got my S60R, they made it like Pulling Teeth to try to Find another one at a Dealer for me. So I said Screw it, Found one on my own, and went to NJ to get it.

But maybe BMW is different or alteast more "Friendly" about doing it for the Customer.
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      06-23-2010, 01:56 PM   #33
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I was looking to go a 2011 M Sport DCT, but I'm going with a held over 09 M Sport 6MT. Saved roughly a little over 6k this way over what the 2011 would have cost. To me, it wasn't worth the extra money to get DCT and the twinscroll. Figure if the N55 turns out to be that much better, I'll dump it in two years for the M model.
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      06-23-2010, 02:06 PM   #34
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I was looking to go a 2011 M Sport DCT, but I'm going with a held over 09 M Sport 6MT. Saved roughly a little over 6k this way over what the 2011 would have cost. To me, it wasn't worth the extra money to get DCT and the twinscroll. Figure if the N55 turns out to be that much better, I'll dump it in two years for the M model.
You made the right decision, IMO.
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If your asking in terms of which of the 3 transmissions shifts the fastest it would be in the order below:

1) DCT (unconfirmed, so far all on paper)
2) Steptronic (confirmed, proven)
3) Manual (not slower by much and is mainly based on the driver, though it gives you a third pedal and more control as most will say)
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If your asking in terms of which of the 3 transmissions shifts the fastest it would be in the order below:

1) DCT (unconfirmed, so far all on paper)
2) Steptronic (confirmed, proven)
3) Manual (not slower by much and is mainly based on the driver, though it gives you a third pedal and more control as most will say)
you really think Step shifts faster than MT? I mean I'm not saying it doesn't and I'm driving a loaner 328 Step and DS mode and M mode shifts pretty quick but then why does BMW claim the 0-60 on the Step is always slower than the MT? I know the DCT is a totally different story.
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If your asking in terms of which of the 3 transmissions shifts the fastest it would be in the order below:

1) DCT (unconfirmed, so far all on paper)
2) Steptronic (confirmed, proven)
3) Manual (not slower by much and is mainly based on the driver, though it gives you a third pedal and more control as most will say)

All on paper? You obviously haven't driven a DCT. Step vs DCT is not even comparable.

1: DCT
2: Manual or Step depending on the driver of the Manual car

Step will be the most sluggish and slow to react to the drivers commands. DCT and Manual react instantaneously to the driver's input. Manual obviously has the most control, DCT has the speed, Step has no advantage among the 3 as DCT can do everything Step does 10x better.
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I think it's pretty simple to boil down...

If you're going automatic, go N55. Period . EVERYONE raves about how the DCT is better than the step. (I have a N54 step)

If you're going stick, it'll be up to you and how fast you plan on tuning. If you're looking for quick, guaranteed power, go N54. If you are willing to wait and see what develops, go N55.
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All on paper? You obviously haven't driven a DCT. Step vs DCT is not even comparable.

1: DCT
2: Manual or Step depending on the driver of the Manual car

Step will be the most sluggish and slow to react to the drivers commands. DCT and Manual react instantaneously to the driver's input. Manual obviously has the most control, DCT has the speed, Step has no advantage among the 3 as DCT can do everything Step does 10x better.


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you really think Step shifts faster than MT? I mean I'm not saying it doesn't and I'm driving a loaner 328 Step and DS mode and M mode shifts pretty quick but then why does BMW claim the 0-60 on the Step is always slower than the MT? I know the DCT is a totally different story.
No matter how fast the Steptronic shifts gears it can't overcome the fact that the Steptronic has a torque converter which will cause it to lag behind the Manual & the DCT which both utilize a direct connection from the crankshaft to the gearbox. Even a lock-up torque converter won't help with acceleration since it (as I understand it) won't activate until you've stopped accelerating (they only help with mileage).

Disclaimer: IANAE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converter
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All on paper? You obviously haven't driven a DCT. Step vs DCT is not even comparable.

1: DCT
2: Manual or Step depending on the driver of the Manual car

Step will be the most sluggish and slow to react to the drivers commands. DCT and Manual react instantaneously to the driver's input. Manual obviously has the most control, DCT has the speed, Step has no advantage among the 3 as DCT can do everything Step does 10x better.
10x better? I know the DCT is an amazing system and yes I have driven one. While I will agree it's a better system over all, I wouldn't say it's night and day, cause if you read your facts the DCT shifts at 100ms while the steptronic is a mere 300ms. When I see the DCT out-run or even out-launch a steptronic equipped 135i then I will rest my case. As of now though according to paper, videos, records, and more the 6-speed autos still hold the fastest records. Please keep in mind I'm not and never said it was a better system. I simply said that it was simply the faster choice for most and anyone who's owned or own's a steptronic equiped 135i will tell you that.

As for the launch control and the pleasure of being able to dump the clutch and roast the tires, they both go to the DCT and MT. As a previous 6mt owner myself I can couch for that .

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just got my n55 yesterday i like it way better than the n54 stock vs stock. you can hear the turbo and the bov which wins me over right away.
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