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      02-10-2012, 06:51 PM   #67
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How do you turn these 2 functions on and off?
Hold the DCT button down for 5 seconds or so. When the symbol changes, everything is Off.
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      02-10-2012, 08:54 PM   #68
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      02-11-2012, 11:56 PM   #69
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Let's simplify this:

For street: Either don't touch anything, or hit the DTC button once to disable traction control, but keep stability control (DSC) on.

For novice track driving: Drive in DTC mode (1 press of DTC button) and make note when disability control kicks in.

Track driving: Once you become familiar where you are likely to lose traction, turn everything off (hold DTC button). The DTC limited mode simply intervenes too much and prevents advanced techniques such as trail braking which involve yaw change.
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      02-12-2012, 11:09 PM   #70
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Let's simplify this:

For street: Either don't touch anything, or hit the DTC button once to disable traction control, but keep stability control (DSC) on.
AFAIK its the other way around. One press of the button takes the DSC off, but leaves traction control still on. In that mode, depending on the car setup it maybe be possible to get lift-off oversteer and potentially spin the car.

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yes, I was right . Read the posts #3 and #13

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250656

1) Default = DSC Mode
2) Fun = DTC ON
3) Scary = All of (DSC and DTC off)

Just so we get clarification on verbiage
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      02-17-2012, 02:34 AM   #71
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Not true, but the quote you had was correct.

Pressing nothing, you have DSC on and traction control on. No spinning tires, no spinning car.

One press of the button puts the car in DTC (dynamic traction control) or "fun mode". This lets you spin tires, but not spin the car because DSC (stability control) is still on. DSC monitors yaw rates to determine if the car is about to enter a spin.

Holding down the button turns off DSC and traction control, so you can spin tires and spin the car.

Trust me, I do a lot of track driving and have explored the modes. In DTC, I am slowed down on the track not because it limits my tire spin, but because the stability control engages by braking individual wheels when rotating the car during trail braking.
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      02-17-2012, 06:39 AM   #72
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mpatrone, I'm glad you corrected me. According to the manual, stability control is still active but with reduced effectiveness in DTC mode.

Have you ever driven on a circuit in wet weather? Do you know if DTC mode gives enough stability to prevent the car from spinning on a high speed corner?
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      02-17-2012, 06:44 AM   #73
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If you're doing something wrong the DTC won't prevent a spin. I've found that on a track the DTC is more likely to cause an off track incident than prevent it. The car really doesn't like being trail braked or slid in any fashion and the DTC being on causes unpredictable incidents and responses. If i'm on track regardless of speed or weather the nannies get turned off. If i'm on the street they stay on.
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      02-17-2012, 08:04 AM   #74
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Yes, always. DSC only stays on if it's pouring rain.
I'm the complete opposite. The light gets very annoying so it's on most of the time until it starts raining, then I turn it off to have some fun. It's not as annoying when you're having fun. I wish there was an option during purchase if you wanted DSC installed or not.
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If you're doing something wrong the DTC won't prevent a spin. I've found that on a track the DTC is more likely to cause an off track incident than prevent it. The car really doesn't like being trail braked or slid in any fashion and the DTC being on causes unpredictable incidents and responses. If i'm on track regardless of speed or weather the nannies get turned off. If i'm on the street they stay on.
+1. It gets hairy when you change your steering inputs based on feel (lets say the rear starts a good slip angle), and suddenly both you and the traction control are dialing in counter steer. You'll dart across the track if you don't also anticipate the additional inputs from traction control, which vary depending on too many things to keep track of. Track.
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      02-24-2012, 02:07 PM   #76
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On for roads, off for track. Why? Because it gets in the way of improving my driving skills on the track, but on the road, if it comes on, it is probably in a situation where my top priority is avoiding an accident, not improving my skills.
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