New carbon intake cleaning system... Hydrogen cleaning....

Dackelone · 08-29-2015, 02:01 AM

Does anyone have any experience with this Hydrogen carbon cleaning setup?

MightyMouseTech What do you think?

MightyMouseTech · 08-29-2015, 11:09 AM

Hmm, never heard of it. Will have to check it out.

Iron Man · 08-30-2015, 07:45 AM

I wonder how well this really cleans? I imagine it might work better as a preventative maintenance, but I'm not sure it could really clean-up heavily caked on carbon build-up, like for example, after 45,000 miles on a N54.

They should show a "before" and "after" video for effectiveness.

Dackelone · 08-30-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Man

I wonder how well this really cleans? I imagine it might work better as a preventative maintenance, but I'm not sure it could really clean-up heavily caked on carbon build-up, like for example, after 45,000 miles on a N54.

They should show a "before" and "after" video for effectiveness.

Yep. I would love to see a before and after video with a borescope camera. I never had heard of this product either... that's why I made this thread hoping someone would know about it. ?

Dackel

Pissoff · 08-30-2015, 03:37 PM

No way should any carbon cleaning process be used on a turbocharged engine that will blow pieces of carbon into the exhaust. Think for just a minute on this. A piece of hard carbon travels down the exhaust to the turbo. The turbine has very close tolerances. Now a hard piece of hard carbon hits that turbo impeller. Tell me that it won't damage the turbo. That is why they clean the carbon without the engine running. All the carbon and media can be cleaned out without any of it going into the cylinder or exhaust. Ending in a clean intake and no damage. So for me who cares if it works. Now on a NA engine a whole different story. On the n54-55 engines it would be a whole lot of hard pieces of carbon headed straight for that turbocharger, not just a few pieces.

Dackelone · 08-30-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coleroad

No way should any carbon cleaning process be used on a turbocharged engine that will blow pieces of carbon into the exhaust. Think for just a minute on this. A piece of hard carbon travels down the exhaust to the turbo. The turbine has very close tolerances. Now a hard piece of hard carbon hits that turbo impeller. Tell me that it won't damage the turbo. That is why they clean the carbon without the engine running. All the carbon and media can be cleaned out without any of it going into the cylinder or exhaust. Ending in a clean intake and no damage. So for me who cares if it works. Now on a NA engine a whole different story. On the n54-55 engines it would be a whole lot of hard pieces of carbon headed straight for that turbocharger, not just a few pieces.

INTAKE side... NOT exhaust side. After the turbo(s).

Pissoff · 08-30-2015, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dackelone

INTAKE side... NOT exhaust side. After the turbo(s).

Yes I know intake side. Cleaning by solution while engine is running will blow carbon bits into the combustion chamber. The carbon will not burn completely. Then the remaining bits of carbon go out the exhaust.

Pissoff · 08-30-2015, 04:15 PM

Ford doesn't even approve of the walnut shell blasting in their eco boost engines because they say that not every bit of carbon that was removed and every bit of blasting media will positively be vacuumed out. They're are studying for an approved way to remove the carbon while being absolutely positive of not damaging the turbo.

gap · 08-30-2015, 09:30 PM

This method looks like it is more for the inside the combustion chamber instead of the intake outside the combustion chamber.
Agree that spitting out bits of carbon probably isn't a good idea for the turbos and cats.
Reading some of the Porsche forums their DFI engines don't seem to have a carbon build up problem. What are they doing different than BMW?

Iron Man · 08-31-2015, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleroad

Ford doesn't even approve of the walnut shell blasting in their eco boost engines because they say that not every bit of carbon that was removed and every bit of blasting media will positively be vacuumed out. They're are studying for an approved way to remove the carbon while being absolutely positive of not damaging the turbo.

The turbo is on the intake side of the engine, not the exhaust. How could carbon going out the exhaust damage the turbo?

Pissoff · 08-31-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Man

The turbo is on the intake side of the engine, not the exhaust. How could carbon going out the exhaust damage the turbo?

How do you think the turbo is driven? The exhaust drives it. the turbo has two turbines attached to one shaft I don't understand why only the intake side is being talked about. With out the exhaust side of the turbo you have no turbocharger. You beat up the turbine on the drive side ( the exhaust side) you slow down the speed of the intake side. Wow

Pissoff · 08-31-2015, 09:29 AM

A visual then.

Iron Man · 08-31-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleroad

How do you think the turbo is driven? The exhaust drives it. the turbo has two turbines attached to one shaft I don't understand why only the intake side is being talked about. With out the exhaust side of the turbo you have no turbocharger. You beat up the turbine on the drive side ( the exhaust side) you slow down the speed of the intake side. Wow

Sorry, but I guess I never realized it was such a direct path from the exhaust port to the turbo. I've never had a turbo-charged vehicle before and have never really had any interest in turbo-charged engines. Thanks for the clarification.

Dackelone · 10-01-2016, 09:13 AM

Still wondering WHEN an indi shop will offer this kind of carbon cleaning ?

Trptguy · 10-04-2016, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dackelone

Still wondering WHEN an indi shop will offer this kind of carbon cleaning ?

depends on the cost for a Indy, mist have invested in the carbon cleaning equipment why go this way if it costs $$$

Dackelone · 02-16-2017, 01:32 PM

Any other feed back guys ?

miro2296 · 02-16-2017, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dackelone

Any other feed back guys ?

I too am curious to anyone with experience with this.

juld0zer · 02-17-2017, 04:20 AM

The turbine wheel is arguably more durable than the compressor wheel though. For those of us still with cats, i'd say blocking the cat would be more of a concern.

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