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CICIO · 01-07-2011, 03:35 PM

After years of working with Cobb Tuning we wanted to be the first shop to first hand test the new BMW Accessport! We started using Cobb when they were strictly Subaru, and have stuck with them through the years. We now use there software to tune Subaru, Mitsubishi, Nissan GT-R, and Mazdas!

You couldn't ask for a better group of guys, or better technical support than you get from the guys at Cobb Tuning! If you are unfamiliar with them rest assured they are one of the leading companies in the performance industry!

As many of you may know we have been tuning the turboed BMWs for almost a year now using our own software. However we are very excited to jump on board with Cobb and can not wait until they release their AccessTuner software to the US ProTuners! At that point we will be able to create a custom map for each specific car to optimize its performance! Cobb always leaves a little bit of power on the table for us ProTuners

As usual we were pleasantly impressed with the BMW AP! The install on the car went very easy and quickly! The handheld interface is easy to use and learn. It gives you the ability to log, check and reset codes and much more.

The tune itself is just what you would expect from Cobb and a STG1 tune. Power delivery is like stock only more of it

Throttle response, tip in, fuel trims and boost levels are all solid and very safe!

One of the other great things about this devise is that you can simply uninstall it from your car, the AP loads the original map back on your DME and vanishes

Like it was never there. *wink

Please feel free to email or PM us with any questions you may have! These are IN STOCK and ready to ship.

MSRP: $895

Here is the baseline and Cobb STG1 flash overlaid in a graph. This was done within minutes of eachother! The car never even came off the dyno between maps.

MikesBMW · 01-07-2011, 03:43 PM

amazing power gain!

Dannydeleted · 01-07-2011, 04:15 PM

MmmMm...delicious dyno graph!

Thank you!!!

oman135 · 01-07-2011, 04:27 PM

nice cant wait for the n55!

cwg · 01-07-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by oman135

nice cant wait for the n55!

+1000

FrankiE90 · 01-07-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by oman135

nice cant wait for the n55!

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Originally Posted by cwg

+1000

+1001

oman135 · 01-07-2011, 04:56 PM

will this work on gulf spec 135?
95 octane

SiN55 · 01-07-2011, 05:00 PM

Uff, nice! But, N55 in the house.

escobar929 · 01-07-2011, 05:02 PM

great numbers, cant wait to see some 1/4 times

RimasRS · 01-07-2011, 05:07 PM

How it is comparable with JB or Procede?

CICIO · 01-07-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by oman135

will this work on gulf spec 135?
95 octane

I will have to find that out for you! I will PM you as soon as I know.

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Originally Posted by RimasRS

How it is comparable with JB or Procede?

Honestly there is going to be no comparison. Tuning on all cars usually starts out as a piggyback system and as the technology develops the custom flashs come into play. Being in the industry for 11 years we have seen this time and time again. There is just way more control utilizing what was meant to control the car to tune it.

When the ProTuner software comes out I would have to say you will see a drastic decline in how many people are using the piggyback units. Especially with the ability to flash the car back to stock at anytime.

Thanks for the question.

Lambobimmer · 01-07-2011, 05:41 PM

Bought mine today. Thanks Cicio.

Actually bought the Accessport before I pick up my 2008 135i on Monday.

JimmyT · 01-07-2011, 05:53 PM

Good 60HP and 70 TQ delta, just like COBBs own numbers with their dynos

onefastman · 01-07-2011, 05:57 PM

If you could make double that power delta I would be interested.

scott135i · 01-07-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicio@TopSpeed

I will have to find that out for you! I will PM you as soon as I know.

Honestly there is going to be no comparison. Tuning on all cars usually starts out as a piggyback system and as the technology develops the custom flashs come into play. Being in the industry for 11 years we have seen this time and time again. There is just way more control utilizing what was meant to control the car to tune it.

When the ProTuner software comes out I would have to say you will see a drastic decline in how many people are using the piggyback units. Especially with the ability to flash the car back to stock at anytime.

Thanks for the question.

Yes, but the BMW DME is more powerful and advanced than those of the WRX/WRX STi, Evolution, Mazdaspeed, RX7, Supra, 350/370Z.

Isn't it?

I don't think that applies as much as it used to. Maybe I'm wrong.
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From personal experience, I had a Peter Farrell PiggyBack unit on my 1993 FD Mazda RX7 for 2-3 years. After that, I purchased a PowerFC full standalone ECU, and the improvements were night and day 10000000x better. But, that was an old ass factory ECU from 1991/1992...

Sooo....

RimasRS · 01-07-2011, 06:21 PM

Anyway... So what is the point of flash if piggy back have all possibilities that you need and more hp gain. Can somebody explain me? And Procede is veteran in this thing, what more can you want. Really I don't understand that thing...

FDfranklin · 01-07-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RimasRS

Anyway... So what is the point of flash if piggy back have all possibilities that you need and more hp gain. Can somebody explain me? And Procede is veteran in this thing, what more can you want. Really I don't understand that thing...

Why re invent the wheel?

Unless we are seeing significantly better gains I don't see the point. jb3/4 is a much lower price, procede around the same and you don't have to worry about voiding your warranty. I have seen a few people have problems with COBB before and dealerships and that is enough to make me worry.

CICIO · 01-07-2011, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott135i

Yes, but the BMW DME is more powerful and advanced than those of the WRX/WRX STi, Evolution, Mazdaspeed, RX7, Supra, 350/370Z.

Isn't it?

I don't think that applies as much as it used to. Maybe I'm wrong.
---
From personal experience, I had a Peter Farrell PiggyBack unit on my 1993 FD Mazda RX7 for 2-3 years. After that, I purchased a PowerFC full standalone ECU, and the improvements were night and day 10000000x better. But, that was an old ass factory ECU from 1991/1992...

Sooo....

You actually just answered your own question. Yes the BMW DME is very very powerful. Thats why it is SO powerful to reprogram it to control your car like it was designed to do. Instead of putting something inline to trick it into thinking something that isn't true.

Make sense?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RimasRS

Anyway... So what is the point of flash if piggy back have all possibilities that you need and more hp gain. Can somebody explain me? And Procede is veteran in this thing, what more can you want. Really I don't understand that thing...

I really have no desire to get into a piggyback vs. flash debate. However telling your computer a lie, so that it targets different values is not how I like to tune cars. Some people think thats the best way. I guess thats what makes the world go round right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FDfranklin

Why re invent the wheel?

Unless we are seeing significantly better gains I don't see the point. jb3/4 is a much lower price, procede around the same and you don't have to worry about voiding your warranty. I have seen a few people have problems with COBB before and dealerships and that is enough to make me worry.

The only time people have had issues with Cobb at the dealerships is when they DO NOT uninstall the unit. At that point I think we would call that user error.

As Cobb technology develops you will see abilities for gains far exceeding this initial map release.

Thanks for your input guys.

~Cicio

pwdrtoastman · 01-07-2011, 07:25 PM

This is great news

J5isalive · 01-07-2011, 11:27 PM

Cicio,

Glad to see you guys so quick to test the Access Port. Can't wait to see what Doug can do once he gets ahold of the Pro-Tune software

As always can't help but sing praises about TopSpeed I have been running a custom tune from TopSpeed for a few months now, power and delivery is always perfect

Keep up the progress guys!

John

Olivier_TFE · 01-08-2011, 05:22 AM

I don't understand why the stock 135i only have 281hp?
My 135i (Spain) had more than 300 hp stock (315hp in dyno).

And now, 377hp (383ch europe) with the JB3 map3 + intercooler Spearco...

But I like the philosophy of the AccessPort...so I'm thinking to change for it...

EDIT: I just understood that your Dyno is in "wheel power" and mine "motor power".

Sorry!

slade1274 · 01-08-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pwdrtoastman

This is great news, however i'm still skeptical of any flash units on very sophisticated ecus. I going to need unequivocal evidence their will be no cobb files left of the ecu. I've been down this road, its not pretty if you guys are wrong, especially considering the retarded things that go wrong with this platform.(i know all cars have warranty issues, and i'm not saying this car has any more or less issues than any other platform.)

This is the internets.... so it won't ever happen. Rumor, conjecture, and unsupported stories will always cause "reasonable doubt" with regards to any claim, not just Cobb. Coming from the STi community, I can say that of the dozens of folks I know personally that have utilized the AP architecture for reflash, none have been denied warranty sevice; even for an engine rebuild due to piston ringland failure.

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CICIO 32 Rep 180 Posts Drives: 2009 E92 M3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Altanta GA iTrader: (2)	TopSpeed Motorsports - Cobb Tuning Accessport Dyno Results After years of working with Cobb Tuning we wanted to be the first shop to first hand test the new BMW Accessport! We started using Cobb when they were strictly Subaru, and have stuck with them through the years. We now use there software to tune Subaru, Mitsubishi, Nissan GT-R, and Mazdas! You couldn't ask for a better group of guys, or better technical support than you get from the guys at Cobb Tuning! If you are unfamiliar with them rest assured they are one of the leading companies in the performance industry! As many of you may know we have been tuning the turboed BMWs for almost a year now using our own software. However we are very excited to jump on board with Cobb and can not wait until they release their AccessTuner software to the US ProTuners! At that point we will be able to create a custom map for each specific car to optimize its performance! Cobb always leaves a little bit of power on the table for us ProTuners As usual we were pleasantly impressed with the BMW AP! The install on the car went very easy and quickly! The handheld interface is easy to use and learn. It gives you the ability to log, check and reset codes and much more. The tune itself is just what you would expect from Cobb and a STG1 tune. Power delivery is like stock only more of it Throttle response, tip in, fuel trims and boost levels are all solid and very safe! One of the other great things about this devise is that you can simply uninstall it from your car, the AP loads the original map back on your DME and vanishes Like it was never there. wink Please feel free to email or PM us with any questions you may have! These are IN STOCK and ready to ship. MSRP: $895 Here is the baseline and Cobb STG1 flash overlaid in a graph. This was done within minutes of eachother! The car never even came off the dyno between maps. Last edited by CICIO; 01-07-2011 at 03:44 PM..*
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RimasRS Colonel 85 Rep 2,438 Posts Drives: BMW X3 SD Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Anyway... So what is the point of flash if piggy back have all possibilities that you need and more hp gain. Can somebody explain me? And Procede is veteran in this thing, what more can you want. Really I don't understand that thing...
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J5isalive Private First Class 49 Rep 132 Posts Drives: '20 M2C, '15 GT3 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alpharetta Ga iTrader: (1)	Cicio, Glad to see you guys so quick to test the Access Port. Can't wait to see what Doug can do once he gets ahold of the Pro-Tune software As always can't help but sing praises about TopSpeed I have been running a custom tune from TopSpeed for a few months now, power and delivery is always perfect Keep up the progress guys! John
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Olivier_TFE sport pilot 2 Rep 65 Posts Drives: BMW 135i Alpine White Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tenerife - Spain iTrader: (0)	I don't understand why the stock 135i only have 281hp? My 135i (Spain) had more than 300 hp stock (315hp in dyno). And now, 377hp (383ch europe) with the JB3 map3 + intercooler Spearco... But I like the philosophy of the AccessPort...so I'm thinking to change for it... EDIT: I just understood that your Dyno is in "wheel power" and mine "motor power". Sorry! Last edited by Olivier_TFE; 01-08-2011 at 06:31 AM..
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