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      03-12-2012, 05:50 PM   #89
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I do not think a stock 5.0 will handle as an M3!!! Comparing an M3 to a stock 5.0 is blasphemy..

I see Boss as OEM tuner not stock so If you wanna talk about it then you should look into tuned M3s, 1s ..etc.
it pulls similar stats in most every performance metric. this shouldn't be news to you.

they do about the same thing in very different ways.
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      03-12-2012, 06:33 PM   #90
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For me, it's simple. The function of a car is to get me from point a to point b. Period. That being said, since I spend what, 3 hours a day on the road, that's maybe 9% of my life. I want to be comfortable. Interior is very important to me. It must feel like Archie Bunker's chair; comfortable for the duration. I am in my throne when I am driving and no abbreviated bench seat is going to do that for me. I have the sport package.

I need there to be enough power from the engine and a complementarily precise and accurate handling, so I may elevate myself into another aura on my daily commute, giving me the fortitude to continue on to work, during which time I cannot drive. Power and handling are not separate entities; they are yin and yang. This is one place USA has it wrong - all muscle, no finesse. Not for me.

In terms of exterior styling, that's an individual preference one usually cannot put a finger on. I feel a little cheesy saying it, but I remember the first day I laid eyes on my 128i the same way I remember seeing my wife for the first time; that's sick ain't it?

In summary, I like BMW because of the total package - it is my Personal Amusement Ride, my indy 500 racecar (every morning and afternoon) and catches my eye every time I see it. I drove a Camaro and a GT and just didn't have that feeling of 'wearing' the car that I get from the 128i... the last car that truly ggave me that feeling was a friends Datsun 280Z (1976)...
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^^Speaking of the back end...whats up with the turn siginals? The way the go 1,2,3 in sequence is pretty cheesy. IMO.
Throwback to the old Mercury Cougar? IIRC it had a mechanical system that rotated a cam, lighting the lamps sequentially.
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      03-12-2012, 06:45 PM   #92
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      03-12-2012, 06:51 PM   #93
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An interesting point of view. From reading this thread it's clear that things can get real esoteric when trying to describe why a particular car imparts that alchemy of excitement over any other. It's obviously very personal. For me, all I know is that when I got of the 135i after my test drive all I wanted to do was get back in it.
I first became accustomed to German engineering as a bassoon player of all things. Played on a German-made bassoon for years. Got a Heuer watch for Christmas that I had for 15 years until it was stolen. I have a Pelikan fountain pen that I've carried daily since 1987. I also have an engineering degree and can appreciate tightness of design and implementation. That's why I like BMW. You strap it on like a bionic shell and it carries out your every whim. I 'only' have a 128, but I love it nonetheless. It's no 135, but neither are the payments, upkeep, and insurance.

It's never a choice of 'which car to buy', it's a question of 'which BMW to buy'. A decision based on what feels right.
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Im a big fan of the new 5.0 too, Ford has done some good things lately w/ the mustang. Used to be a heavy slower car w/ a fun v8.. Now its great at stopping and handling distance. The car is arguably some of the best bang for the buck car.
As far as refined experience, its not a luxury sport like a BMW is.

Personally for me, i like the BMW cause its a great car all around, but whats great is that its not a dime a dozen car like mustangs are. People are intrigued to know more about my car than they would a mustang. Also, when people ask what i drive and i say its a BMW, its a much different reaction than if i said Ford.

If you asked me to trade in my 135i for a Ford id be reluctant unless it was a brand new 302 boss. I just dont wanna be seen in a car that everyone has like a mustang GT or a 5.0.... Even the Chevy Camaro is a dime a dozen where in the communities where i live and work..
Refined and rare is for me..
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Boss is great car around the track but 5.0 is more livable as a daily driver. now with the 135i or 335i you get 80% of the power with very high daily driver qualities.
Muscle cars are what they are , they serve a different purpose vs sports cars like Cayman S or an M3 coupe.
Most people will say that if both cars run a 1/4 mile in 12 seconds , they are the same in the real world. Not the case , they could feel completly different when you are getting your groceries.
to each their own. Its not a matter of what is better and how much. Fan boys can argue all day , learn to accept it that the cars are just different and they serve different needs.
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      03-13-2012, 05:18 PM   #96
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...Refined and rare is for me..
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Yep. My sentiments exactly. I looked at a Boss 302 and was tempted. Then I sat in the interior, turned on the stereo...and left for the BMW dealer. Yeah, I know that's not what the Boss is about, but it's what I wanted at that price point. I'd be thrilled to be able to afford both a Boss 302 and a 135i and I'd drive them for very different reasons, but alas, I had to choose just one and that was the 135i.
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      03-13-2012, 07:35 PM   #97
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Yep. My sentiments exactly. I looked at a Boss 302 and was tempted. Then I sat in the interior, turned on the stereo...and left for the BMW dealer. Yeah, I know that's not what the Boss is about, but it's what I wanted at that price point. I'd be thrilled to be able to afford both a Boss 302 and a 135i and I'd drive them for very different reasons, but alas, I had to choose just one and that was the 135i.
Actually interior on the boss is bare bones, you should have checked out gt premium, The thing is people say mustangs are cheap but when option one out with V8, leather, heated seats, hids, gears, brembo brakes you are looking @ $39k.
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      03-13-2012, 07:54 PM   #98
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Actually interior on the boss is bare bones, you should have checked out gt premium...
When I voiced my concerns at the tinny stereo in the Boss the sales guy suggested just that. The GT 500 we looked at (I think it was a premium) had an upgraded stereo with massive base output. But it sounded like a boom box on steroids. Not good. The interior was better but the car didn't feel special like the Boss. I'd much rather have had a Boss, rip out the junk stereo, and put in a good after market unit with high quality equalizer, subs, mid-range, and tweeters. That would have upped the price well past what I paid for my 135i (with HK) and would still lack the 1ers refinement, luxury, and overall quality.
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Agreed. In fact, the main reason for buying the 135i is the engine.

Otherwise, we could have bought an Audi or VW.
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      03-15-2012, 11:55 AM   #100
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I do not think a stock 5.0 will handle as an M3!!! Comparing an M3 to a stock 5.0 is blasphemy..

I see Boss as OEM tuner not stock so If you wanna talk about it then you should look into tuned M3s, 1s ..etc.
Boss and SVT are to Ford as "M" is to BMW
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      03-15-2012, 03:09 PM   #101
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Boss and SVT are to Ford as "M" is to BMW
I think that's a pretty good comparison.
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      03-28-2012, 06:07 PM   #102
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it pulls similar stats in most every performance metric. this shouldn't be news to you.

they do about the same thing in very different ways.
I am aware of the Motor Trend ..etc comparisons and lap times.. but if you look at that race track , you will see that it is considered to be a high speed race track which does not test which car is superior in cornering.. so of course both cars are in the 400s bHp range and they will provide similar numbers.. but with a very tough race track, the story will be diffrent..

Put Normal people in both cars not professional race drivers and send them to the Nordschleife and lets see which car will handle best... If you never been there you will never understand how hard it is to drive a v8 fast on that track..

For Pro drivers, the M3 will win but it will not be blow out.. For Normal people the M3 will be way way ahead..

the current E92 suspension, chassi and LSD is superior to the ones from a stock GT!!
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I am aware of the Motor Trend ..etc comparisons and lap times.. but if you look at that race track , you will see that it is considered to be a high speed race track which does not test which car is superior in cornering.. so of course both cars are in the 400s bHp range and they will provide similar numbers.. but with a very tough race track, the story will be diffrent..

Put Normal people in both cars not professional race drivers and send them to the Nordschleife and lets see which car will handle best... If you never been there you will never understand how hard it is to drive a v8 fast on that track..

For Pro drivers, the M3 will win but it will not be blow out.. For Normal people the M3 will be way way ahead..

the current E92 suspension, chassi and LSD is superior to the ones from a stock GT!!
I wasn't talking about motor trend. the gt really is as fast as the m3. also, nordschleife? let's talk about real tracks, not big ass roads that see minor duty as race tracks. I'm much more likely to be at willow springs or laguna seca, where the two cars are, like i said, two very different ways of accomplishing the same thing.

but i'm sure that when you roll in dead even with a gt in an m3 someone will give you the win because the diff is more advanced.

for the record, i'd get the m3 over the gt. i just hate the argument being made that under these *very* specific conditions in this one place riiiight here, the m3 edges it out. that's just plain silly.

"it's faster around the nürbergring!" haha oh please
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Totally agree with the shrink ray idea! The Camaro has grown from like 3000lbs to like 3800lbs! The Mustang isn't as bad, but it can lose some weight too.

In general, I'd much rather buy a 3000lb car with 300hp, than a 4000lb car with 400hp.
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Throwback to the old Mercury Cougar?
That is correct. First car was a very used '67 Cougar. I never had the pleasure of seeing the lamps light sequentially as that
feature had long since stopped functioning by the time I got it. I do remember that getting them fixed would have cost more
than I paid for the car!
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      03-29-2012, 08:02 PM   #106
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I've test driven a 2012 mustang 3 times now. V6 auto, V6 manual, v8 manual. Each time I've walked away with a big smile on my face. I am 50 and never bought an American ( or Asian) car. It always came down to handling and interiors. The Mustangs interior, while not on par with Europe, does seem "good enough" for me, although I must admit I am becoming fatigued by the "who's got the most luxurious interior" competition that is raging these days. Simpler for me is better. The V6 manual, with the performance package, but ditching the 19 inch 255's for the lighter 18 inch 235s. seems like a really nice setup. Ford got the interior engine and exhaust notes just right. Wife and kids think I am having a midlife crisis for considering it, but really, it is a rational decision. The whole package I like can be had for under 30k. Something to be said for value. The weak link does seem to be the audio, but likely 1500 to 2k can get a kenwood or pioneer nav , audio and speakers.
Just the fact that we are having this discussion here is a great indicator of the competitiveness of the mustang in this class.
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Personally for me, i like the BMW cause its a great car all around, but whats great is that its not a dime a dozen car like mustangs are. ........
If you asked me to trade in my 135i for a Ford id be reluctant unless it was a brand new 302 boss. I just dont wanna be seen in a car that everyone has like a mustang GT or a 5.0.... Even the Chevy Camaro is a dime a dozen where in the communities where i live and work..
Refined and rare is for me..
Funny, around here ( NYC area) , the BMW is the "dime a dozen" car. 1 series the exception. The mustang stands out and says "up yours, snobs who can't drive but can afford BMWs"
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