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I personally don't have anything against turbos in theory, although I do worry about reliability, extra complexity, and maintenance costs down the line (used to own a Corrado G60, and had to rebuild the supercharger - not apples to apples, to be sure, but has made me a bit leery of FI in general). But to say that there is no perceivable difference between NA & FI? Well, that's just crazy.
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Sure, a VW supercharger circa 1991 is not comparable to BMW's present-day turbos. But there are enough examples on these forums alone of people having issues with their turbos to spook me a little. Admittedly, reliability issues get blown out of proportion on car forums, but it's a plain fact that more moving parts will require more upkeep in the long run.
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So why is it again that you are 200lbs(or in your case 500lbs) heavier?
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Turbo vs NA engine weight benefits
http://www.ehow.com/list_6020106_benefits-turbo-engines_.html?dmsp=manual
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This is ridiculous...I bought a 135, instead of a 128, because I like the extra power. There are many reasons why people by the cars they buy. 128, 135 there both great cars. I get the NA vs FI argument to a point, but to claim one is better than the other seems pointless. Anyone can make a solid argument for either one, but in the end, it comes down to a personally choice based on many different factors. This is what makes blogs so annoying to me...I bet that most people here would not berate each other if it was in person. Chances are, we would be a lot more civil and would respect each others choices, especially since we all drive such similar cars in the end.
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I do not idolize the N52. Nuances; noun. A subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound. There's a lot more than some nuances between the N52 and N54. That was the only point I was trying to make, and unfortunately continue to. And for others reading, making a comparison between the two is only natural given the similarity of the rest of the car. I'm pretty sure this is what this thread is about. As a reminder: Quote:
I only stated the N52 is more advanced, and stand by it. I also get that's not the full discussion here. I don't understand why I have to explain that the N52 has an entirely different character from the N54, from power delivery to sound. But those traits are worlds apart and - of course, to each their own. I've own a few turbocharged cars; B5 S4 stage 3+KO4's, B6 A4, and finally traded in my B7 A4 for my 128i that I continue to find a breath of fresh air. That is why I can tell the difference. Might I also remind everyone here, Telsa is laughing at all of us. |
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But the real difference comes in materials. The reason an N52 is so much lighter is because the block is made out different metals than the N54/55. The N52 makes extensive use of magnesium in its design. The entire crankcase is actually made of it. A lot of engineering effort went I to it. They needed different construction techniques newer designs in order to accommodate the limitations of it. |
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It is voice of someone who prefers a linear powerband, the ability to drive hard without worries of overheating, values a predictable car, enjoys the very sound and essence of a NA engine, and wants something they can enjoy without troubles. There is a reason NA engines are found in all the great driver's cars like the M3, GT3, S2000, NSX, and so on.
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The N54 is a 3.0 liter, has 335 hp(1M) it weighs 430 lbs and was detuned so it wouldn't compete with the M3's performance. The S65 would have been a better choice but it still weighs more than the N54. Do you have a better example? That one didn't work. Posted from 1addicts.com App for Android |
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