Scion FR-S vs. My 128i convertible

[MarkkyyMan]

LPE LS7 hands down best sounding LS motor.

[631twentyeighteye]

I'm a fan of Aston's v8's. I know nothing about them but they sound glorious.

[Dackelone]

I wonder when we will start to see LS V8's transplanted into our 1er's.

[edisapimp]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

I'm a fan of Aston's v8's. I know nothing about them but they sound glorious.

The v8 vantage is a jag in drag. It's original 4.3 liter quad cam was built by.. wait for it... Ford! You can find this startlingly crappy engine in a lot of different places, Like the Thunderbird and Lincoln LS.

I think later on they turned production over to the Germans in the actual Aston production plant but I don't know what year.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

What they really need is an LS:

[pj.rodriguez]

The sounds of that LS7 are not flattering. They're kind of ugly to me. That's just totally personal though. It does bring back the sounds of the older chevrolet muscle car though.

I'm more of a refined engine sound person. Growl is cool... but smooth and mean is cooler.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

I'm a fan of Aston's v8's. I know nothing about them but they sound glorious.

They are glorious, glorious cars. Sill looking for my perfect V8 Vantage Roadster. Meteorite silver, black leather with white stiching, grey brake calipers, sport package, manual shifter. The sounds they make are unbelievable. Guess that would make my 1er my winter beater, LOL!

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

I'm tired of LS swaps. "Like a retard on Viagra, they will put it in anything."

LOL, no shit. It is a lot of power for the weight of the engine, and everyone makes swap kits to do it. Friend of mine is thinking of building an LS swap Boxster. Weighs almost the same as the stock engine, with a SLIGHT bump in power.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

They are glorious, glorious cars. Sill looking for my perfect V8 Vantage Roadster. Meteorite silver, black leather with white stiching, grey brake calipers, sport package, manual shifter. The sounds they make are unbelievable. Guess that would make my 1er my winter beater, LOL!

I think you will be disappointed when you actually drive one.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by pj.rodriguez

The sounds of that LS7 are not flattering. They're kind of ugly to me. That's just totally personal though. It does bring back the sounds of the older chevrolet muscle car though.

I'm more of a refined engine sound person. Growl is cool... but smooth and mean is cooler.

Its a fuel injected, big block, pushrod v8. Not much refinement to be had, just raw naturally aspirated power. Which will most likely be phased out very soon due to emissions and fuel economy regulations.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

I think you will be disappointed when you actually drive one.

+1

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

LOL, no shit. It is a lot of power for the weight of the engine, and everyone makes swap kits to do it. Friend of mine is thinking of building an LS swap Boxster. Weighs almost the same as the stock engine, with a SLIGHT bump in power.

I've read articles of people dropping them in R33 Skylines and Supras.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

I think you will be disappointed when you actually drive one.

Nope. I have driven many. On track they are a little soft compared to 430's, 458's or Lambo's, but it would not be for track use, but I would not want to own one of the others for street use. As a weekend GT car, it is perfect. Grab the weekend bag, the wife, and head out to the backroads.

[JimD]

The interesting LS swap to me is in a Miata. Google "Flying Miata" to get details. All the mechanicals, engine, transmission, and rear end can be replaced resulting in what would seem like a solid vehicle with the potential for huge power. But it is still a Miata - very little trunk space so it's hard to use for even a brief trip. Should be fun around town. Weight to power can be the same as a Viper.

Convertibles are about 250 lbs heavier and at least in 2009 the automatic is almost 0.5 slower 0-60 than the 6 speed.

I like the idea of the DISA intake but I don't really feel my 128i is underpowered. I don't race other than an occasional autocross and that is more handling than power. I wanted something with enough power to be fun and I got that.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

Its a fuel injected, big block, pushrod v8. Not much refinement to be had, just raw naturally aspirated power. Which will most likely be phased out very soon due to emissions and fuel economy regulations.

People love to knock on pushrods as being "old tech" compared to overhead cams. History time, they were invented within 4 years of each other.

LS engines historically have had significantly better MPG than their competition(ie 30mpg+ highway for the C6 Vette vs 18mpg for the E9x M3), and are no slouch on emissions. The new LT platform with the active cylinder deactivation takes that MPG to another level.

Whatever people like to invent in their minds about that family of engines, GM is currently on the cutting edge of delivering a proper N/A engined packaged for the current climate of MPG regulation/strangulation, instead of resorting to some miserable turbo 4.

[bmw1racer]

Originally Posted by JimD

I like the idea of the DISA intake but I don't really feel my 128i is underpowered. I don't race other than an occasional autocross and that is more handling than power. I wanted something with enough power to be fun and I got that.

Same here.

[Taskmaster]

Unless the stock engine in any car is 450lbs-500lb and transmission to 130lb, the LS engine isn't weighing "just a little bit more" than any current 4/6cyl engine.

[kobeballer96]

Ls for the win! If I could throw one in my 1er I would in a heart beat. We swap a ls1 in my buddy's e30 m3 this passed summer. It runs and sounds awesome! And I have a friend that has a ls1 in his drift 240sx and a buddy that boosted his ls engine in his truck running 10s all day reliable for the passed 2 years

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Unless the stock engine in any car is 450lbs-500lb and transmission to 130lb, the LS engine isn't weighing "just a little bit more" than any current 4/6cyl engine.

LS engine swap, in total, adds 60lbs to the BRZ/FR-S. That translates to a 2% weight addition, which most people would consider, "just a little bit more".

Depending on spec, the LS engine weighs between 400(LS1)-470lbs(LS7).

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Unless the stock engine in any car is 450lbs-500lb and transmission to 130lb, the LS engine isn't weighing "just a little bit more" than any current 4/6cyl engine.

We did an LS swap in an old 240SX. The LS weighed 40 lbs less than the iron block 2.4 we took out.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

We did an LS swap in an old 240SX. The LS weighed 40 lbs less than the iron block 2.4 we took out.

Bingo.

The weird part is that I'm largely against LS swaps, but I hate when people underestimate/make uninformed comments about that powerplant.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

LS engine swap, in total, adds 60lbs to the BRZ/FR-S. That translates to a 2% weight addition, which most people would consider, "just a little bit more".

Depending on spec, the LS engine weighs between 400(LS1)-470lbs(LS7).

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

We did an LS swap in an old 240SX. The LS weighed 40 lbs less than the iron block 2.4 we took out.

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Bingo.

The weird part is that I'm largely against LS swaps, but I hate when people underestimate/make uninformed comments about that powerplant.

That may be true - if that was correct. But like most things on the internet...
A LS3 is 415lbs add another 50lbs for the clutch and flywheel and then 130lbs for the T56. An LS1/6 is 450lbs LS7 is around 440lbs

The KA24DE isn't even 400lbs - with transmission maybe, but definitely not without one. Actually, I think they are almost 48xlbs with transmission.