new wheels and non run flat tyres

[DTNJNQ]

Have been looking at alternative wheels and tyres for the 135i. Today I asked for some pricing pricing for some wheels and tyres from one of the major tyre and wheel suppliers in Melbourne. The wheels I have in mind are OZ Ultralegerra and Breyton race GTS. I provided the sales person with the sizes and offsets of the standard wheels. I was told that the Untraleggera are not available for 135i's fitment in Australia. Is this the case? They told me the only Oz racing wheels which would fit are the San Remo which cost $1540 however, I don't like these.

The Breyton race GTS are available for $2,700.

I was also told that it's not a good idea to use non run flat tyres on the car as the suspension are tuned for run flats and would not work as well with non run flats. Can anybody confirm this?

By the way heres a picture of the wheels I'm looking at, OZ wheel 1sr phto and Breyton of 2nd photo.

[harpoon]

I prefer the Breyton wheels. That looks awesome. Makes the rims look bigger cause the spokes go right to the lip.

[EODGUY]

Is that second pic "ghost grey"? Wish we had that in the States.

[Kris]

Dislike either.. I'm trying to find out more about these in Gunmetal (they have them available)

http://cgi.ebay.it/18-POLLICI-cerchi...742.m153.l1262

[jcw2006aus]

Kris if you find these can you let me know.....Thanks :smile: Ill be keen too.

Originally Posted by Kris

Dislike either.. I'm trying to find out more about these in Gunmetal (they have them available)

http://cgi.ebay.it/18-POLLICI-cerchi...742.m153.l1262

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by DTNJNQ

Have been looking at alternative wheels and tyres for the 135i. Today I asked for some pricing pricing for some wheels and tyres from one of the major tyre and wheel suppliers in Melbourne. The wheels I have in mind are OZ Ultralegerra and Breyton race GTS. I provided the sales person with the sizes and offsets of the standard wheels. I was told that the Untraleggera are not available for 135i's fitment in Australia. Is this the case? They told me the only Oz racing wheels which would fit are the San Remo which cost $1540 however, I don't like these.

The Breyton race GTS are available for $2,700.

I was also told that it's not a good idea to use non run flat tyres on the car as the suspension are tuned for run flats and would not work as well with non run flats. Can anybody confirm this?

By the way heres a picture of the wheels I'm looking at, OZ wheel 1sr phto and Breyton of 2nd photo.

I want to get dark colored wheels similar to those. What is the weight? The main thing about Breyton's are they are heavvvvy.

[DTNJNQ]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

I want to get dark colored wheels similar to those. What is the weight? The main thing about Breyton's are they are heavvvvy.

The Breytons are not heavy. This is from a previous thread

18x7.5" 17.5 lbs.
18x8.5" 18.3 lbs.

19 inch fronts 9.0kg (19.84lbs)
19 inch rears 9.5kg (20.94lbs)

20 inch fronts 10kg (22.04lbs)
20 inch rears 11kg (24.25lbs)






The Oz ultraleggera 18 inch are 18.6 lbs

[Kris]

Originally Posted by jcw2006aus

Kris if you find these can you let me know.....Thanks :smile: Ill be keen too.

I have found em. I contacted the seller, he said they fit the 1 series.

18x8.5 & 18x.9.5

ET is 38.. not ideal but it would fit!

Plugging the numbers into an offset calc

Front Wheel:

Std: 7.5, Mod 8.5 = 2mm LESS Clearance Inner & 20mm Extend on the outer (means the wheel sticks out 24mm more than std, and 6mm less inside the wheel near the strut tower)

Rear Wheel:

Std: 8.5, Mod 9.5 = 1mm MORE Clearance Inner & 27mm Extend on the outer (means the wheel sticks out 27mm more than std, and 1mm MORE inside the wheel near the strut tower)

[Wraith]

I agree with Harpoon, those Breyton rims above look outstanding and really suit the shape of the car !!!

If you can match em up as well as those above as well, ie: rim and car colour, the result will be as outstanding as that example above for most colours IMO...

And the weight of even the big 20's is not huge - fantastic :smile:

I've got 20's on most of my cars, even the smaller ones like my TS Astra convertible (in my avatar) get it right and it works, as well as looking totally awesome :thumbup:

[Blacky]

Just buy the OZ from Tire Rack in the US.
I have a set with Tyres waiting to go on my 130
You should expect to pay around $2000.00 delivered to you door.

Good luck

[Wraith]

Originally Posted by Blacky

Just buy the OZ from Tire Rack in the US.
I have a set with Tyres waiting to go on my 130
You should expect to pay around $2000.00 delivered to you door.

Good luck

Good idea, but only if he likes those particular wheels ! :smile:

I actually like 2 different OZ styles which IMHO really suit the 1 series coupe :smile:

And good time to buy from the U.S with the current fall of their dollar

[Kris]

20" wheels on the 135? Why?? Ride like a piece of (^*(*& i'd imagine?

[Wraith]

Originally Posted by Kris

20" wheels on the 135? Why?? Ride like a piece of (^*(*& i'd imagine?

Not neccessarily :wink:

Like I said in my previous post " get it right and it works" !!!

By that I actually meant in terms of ride quality, zero scrubbing issues, performance and of course, the final look :smile:

For looks, that's the easy part - each to his own and of course what's available and how much $$$ you want to spend...when it comes to wheels, you can literally have anything, if your prepared to pay for it, ie: you can get most styles/brands custom made for an individual application, if it's not available off the shelf - I've done this numerous times, as with say an Opel, correct offsets and PCD's are rare with most aftermarket wheels out there...

I have 3 sets of custom made 20's this way :smile:

As for ride quality, a carefully chosen suspension set up solves this nicely !!! again all depends on how far you want to take it and the $$$ involved, my turbo convertible Astra rides as nicely with the 20's as it did on 17's !!! that's a fact and I've proven it to many non-beliviers who've come for a ride in it :smile: only the biggest or worse bumps will raise an eyebrow

The only problems are O/A wheel dia. which will balloon over the 4% margin which then affects speedo/odometer readings, but can easily be rectified by re-calibration, so problem solved :smile:
And load rating which is 85Y for most 20" tyres with a 30 series profile...but search around and higher load rated tyres can be found, again $$$ involved or if clearance permits, stepping up to 35 series does the trick and that problem solved too :smile:

As for clearance, so there's no scrubbing issues, inner plastic liner mods may or may not be neccessary and gaurd 'lipping' which is not externally visible is always an option for fixing this...if the wheels have the correct width and offset, this is hardly ever a problem !!! :smile:

In the end, if all's done right, you'll have a truly outstanding and unique looking result, that goes/rides well too and that looks classy, not hoony or boy racer :smile:

[Kris]

Hmm. Well I have to disagree! No 20" wheel will ride as well as the stock 18s no matter what suspension you use. You're still decreasing the sidewall. What tyres are you using?

It's all a compromise..

[Wraith]

Originally Posted by Kris

Hmm. Well I have to disagree! No 20" wheel will ride as well as the stock 18s no matter what suspension you use. You're still decreasing the sidewall. What tyres are you using?

It's all a compromise..

Very true, you will never get the same, but you may actually like the result !!!

What I mean is with some 17's or 18's and stock suspension, you get a very spongy/bouncy ride and a bit of a 'firm up' is actually desirable :smile:

This may not be the case with the 135i, but I'm sure an acceptable ride quality can be achieved with 19's if 20's will give to harsh a ride result...

What I've used - I've got 5 sets of 20's with 2 different types of tyres on them - I'll get all the specs and put em up for you tonight or tomorrow when I'm home and can get all the info :smile:

On all my cars with big wheels, I've chosen to use 'true' progressive rate springs and matched shocks on one of them also - the difference in ride quality just by putting progressive rate springs and nothing else, even with the stock wheels is very noticeable - much more compliant and comfortable ride characteristics :smile:

Another thing to remember is that you will also adjust to the different ride as well - only if it's way out of whack or way too harsh will it be unbearable !!!

Like I've said, I have had quite a few people in my Astra convertible which has 20's on it full time and none have said the ride quality was harsh in any way :smile: (except for not very pleasant sounds on HUGE bumps LOL, which are very rare) and it's a small car with a short wheel base, the larger the car, the better it will be...

When/if I get a 135i I will experiment/try out/take notes in exactly the same way I've done in the past on most of my other cars with bigger wheel and suspension combinations and see how I go - if 20" size is not favourable, I'll stick to 19's which I'm confident will work beautifully on this car and IMHO will look heaps better on it than 18's (depending on style and personal taste ie) and of course - probably the biggest advantage for this car, it'll get rid of those damn run flats

That and a better suspension will do wonders for looks AND performance :thumbup:

[jcw2006aus]

Originally Posted by Kris

I have found em. I contacted the seller, he said they fit the 1 series.

18x8.5 & 18x.9.5

ET is 38.. not ideal but it would fit!

Plugging the numbers into an offset calc

Front Wheel:

Std: 7.5, Mod 8.5 = 2mm LESS Clearance Inner & 20mm Extend on the outer (means the wheel sticks out 24mm more than std, and 6mm less inside the wheel near the strut tower)

Rear Wheel:

Std: 8.5, Mod 9.5 = 1mm MORE Clearance Inner & 27mm Extend on the outer (means the wheel sticks out 27mm more than std, and 1mm MORE inside the wheel near the strut tower)

Kris, Do you know price delivered to Aust? and any idea on what tire size you are looking at?

Thanks

[Kris]

jcw, I think the offset isn't ideal. I'm in contact with a german maker and am trying to find out if they'll make a 45mm offset - the 38 would mean they would stick out too much I think..

[DTNJNQ]

Originally Posted by Kris

Dislike either.. I'm trying to find out more about these in Gunmetal (they have them available)

http://cgi.ebay.it/18-POLLICI-cerchi...742.m153.l1262

What about these ones. They claim they are suitable for the 1 Series.

http://cgi.ebay.it/CERCHI-IN-LEGA-NU...QQcmdZViewItem

[Kris]

Front 34mm offset and rear 37, naa no good front would stick out 21mm more than standard.... don't know if that would look any good? But thats an improvement.

18x8 and 18.8.5 would be good in sizing...theres still about 21mm extra on the front and about 17mm on the rear over standard

Ideal offset would be 40 on the front and 45 on the rear, 18x8 and 18x8.5

[DTNJNQ]

These would be a good fit. Not sure if I like the style however, may look good if powder coated a black.

http://cgi.ebay.it/Cerchi-18-pollici...742.m153.l1262

[WAY]

Originally Posted by DTNJNQ

The Breytons are not heavy. This is from a previous thread

18x7.5" 17.5 lbs.
18x8.5" 18.3 lbs.

19 inch fronts 9.0kg (19.84lbs)
19 inch rears 9.5kg (20.94lbs)

20 inch fronts 10kg (22.04lbs)
20 inch rears 11kg (24.25lbs)






The Oz ultraleggera 18 inch are 18.6 lbs

Be careful...those weight you qouted above are for GTS-R, which is different from GTS...Ultraleggera is my favourite wheels. But the only size that will fit our rears are 8 inch ones. But Blacky will be installing his soon so I can't wait to see.

[DTNJNQ]

Originally Posted by WAY

Be careful...those weight you qouted above are for GTS-R, which is different from GTS...Ultraleggera is my favourite wheels. But the only size that will fit our rears are 8 inch ones. But Blacky will be installing his soon so I can't wait to see.

Way, 9" are available for the rears.