Sports Car or Sporty Coupe?

Walt White Coupe · 12-15-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Daft Auto

No, that's called a mid-life crisis.

No, it's a sports car and it will knock the socks off anything BMW calls a sports car.

CAVU · 12-15-2013, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Walt White Coupe

No, it's a sports car and it will knock the socks off anything BMW calls a sports car.

Perhaps you don't fit the mid-life crisis stereotype. Just be good natured about it and move on. No need to be a take a poke at BWM owners in a BMW forum. Nobody here thinks the Vette isn't a world-class sports car.

The 1-series is a sports coupe that can outperform many sports cars, especially older sports cars. I think this list of lap times gives a good perspective of the 1-series' performance capability: http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html

Walt White Coupe · 12-15-2013, 08:30 AM

I was only taking a poke at "Daft Auto" not BMW owners and of course I am one and have loved my BMW's. I just hate stupid stereotypes. And you are right, it is a world class sports car.

Dafttt · 12-15-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Walt White Coupe

No, it's a sports car and it will knock the socks off anything BMW calls a sports car.

Spot on attitude. Glad to see you can take a joke and not get defensive like every Corvette owner does.

nunka · 12-15-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Daft Auto

Spot on attitude. Glad to see you can take a joke and not get defensive like every Corvette owner does.

hhhehehe.

Hops128i · 12-15-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Overpar56

A Mazda 6 was a decent enough sedan compared to a Camry (better handling, quicker to 60) but compare that to the Mazdaspeed 6, it was sporty vs performance. Having driven both a 128 and a 135, it's night and day different. The 128 is a fine car and essentially the framework for the turbo and M Sport mods on the 135.

The Mazda 6 vs Mazdaspeed 6 is not an accurate comparison at all, mazdaspeed 6 has a LSD, and sport suspension not found in the 'base' version. The 135i and 128i both don't have a LSD and I don't think the 128i sport suspension significantly differs from the 135i (correct me if i'm wrong). My first season autocrossing, i and a 135i owner often got very similar times, sometimes i would beat him, he thought i had the better car for what we were doing (i know this isn't true, since the 135i is classed higher), but i never got the sense the 128i was the non-sport version of the 1 series.

3002 tii · 12-15-2013, 03:23 PM

I don't even know if there's a true "official" definition of what sports car entails but I tend to agree from an enthusiasts' POV, it's usually reserved for a 2 seater. For the general public I can see why someone would consider any BWM a sports car.

Me personally, if I had to choose I'd call it a sporty coupe.

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Originally Posted by Overpar56

135i and 135is is a performance coupe. 128 may be a sporty coupe.

Get off your high horse, hp isn't everything and some would argue the inline 6 in the 128 makes it one of the last true BMW driver's car.

Overpar56 · 12-15-2013, 03:35 PM

My horse broke a leg and I had to shoot him. Apologies (as I said before) if I offended anyone.

Is my wife's Miata a sports car or a little car with a lot of fun built in?

As for the Speed6 vs Mazda 6 I think it's a fair comparison. Yes, they built in an engine swap (DIrect Injection turbo 4, AWD via a Haldex unit, (no LSD but up to 50/50 split drive front to back, which was basically a front driver most of the time), bigger brakes, and a clutch that would break your leg, but most of the bones were still there. A good platform to build upon is the key. Dumping a big engine into a chassis that can't handle the weight HP or torque isn't really a performance anything, unless you go in a straight line all the time.

Stohlen · 12-15-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hops128i

The Mazda 6 vs Mazdaspeed 6 is not an accurate comparison at all, mazdaspeed 6 has a LSD, and sport suspension not found in the 'base' version. The 135i and 128i both don't have a LSD and I don't think the 128i sport suspension significantly differs from the 135i (correct me if i'm wrong). My first season autocrossing, i and a 135i owner often got very similar times, sometimes i would beat him, he thought i had the better car for what we were doing (i know this isn't true, since the 135i is classed higher), but i never got the sense the 128i was the non-sport version of the 1 series.

This perspective is mostly because its autocross. The biggest difference between the 128 and the 135 is the power, but at such low speeds that autocross is comprised of, the 135i can't use its advantage... it just spins the tires. After that the upgraded brakes and mildly upgraded suspension don't help much. I can see how if the 135i owner wasn't very experienced, the tire spin could lead to a worse time than your 128i

BEAR-AvHistory · 12-15-2013, 04:26 PM

This is a sports car. 2 seats, strong engine, 5 speed, big tires, LSD, sidepipes & no top.

Bimmer-Bob · 12-15-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stohlen

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Originally Posted by Hops128i

The Mazda 6 vs Mazdaspeed 6 is not an accurate comparison at all, mazdaspeed 6 has a LSD, and sport suspension not found in the 'base' version. The 135i and 128i both don't have a LSD and I don't think the 128i sport suspension significantly differs from the 135i (correct me if i'm wrong). My first season autocrossing, i and a 135i owner often got very similar times, sometimes i would beat him, he thought i had the better car for what we were doing (i know this isn't true, since the 135i is classed higher), but i never got the sense the 128i was the non-sport version of the 1 series.

This perspective is mostly because its autocross. The biggest difference between the 128 and the 135 is the power, but at such low speeds that autocross is comprised of, the 135i can't use its advantage... it just spins the tires. After that the upgraded brakes and mildly upgraded suspension don't help much. I can see how if the 135i owner wasn't very experienced, the tire spin could lead to a worse time than your 128i

The lighter weight of the 128i can be an advantage in AX as well.

Also, there is no difference between the 135i sport suspension and the 128i sport suspension.

Suprgnat · 12-15-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

This is a sports car. 2 seats, strong engine, 5 speed, big tires, LSD, sidepipes & no top.

( or a toploader 4 speed

)

BEAR-AvHistory · 12-15-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Suprgnat

( or a toploader 4 speed

)

The 5MT TKO600's are pretty hard to beat for handling power.

CptSlow · 12-15-2013, 08:05 PM

Everyone who posted so far is wrong. There are hardly any "sport's cars" being produced today. The term originated with British cars that had to constantly be tinkered with, were unreliable, uncomfortable, inconvenient, etc. As in: "That chap is a bloody good sport owning a car like that". Hence sport's car, not sports car. I can think of very few cars being produced today that fit that definition. Ariel Atom maybe? Lotus perhaps? Caterham? Certainly nothing built by BMW though.

JTB · 12-15-2013, 08:21 PM

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton

BEAR-AvHistory · 12-16-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CptSlow

Everyone who posted so far is wrong. .

Nope everybody is not wrong. The original Cobra was built by using an early '60's British AC Ace chassis & body with a Ford small block swapped in. Thousands of continuation & reproductions are still being built today, actually way more than the original production run.

bmw1racer · 12-16-2013, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Daft Auto

Spot on attitude. Glad to see you can take a joke and not get defensive like every Corvette owner does.

+1.

CptSlow · 12-16-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Nope everybody is not wrong. The original Cobra was built by using an early '60's British AC Ace chassis & body with a Ford small block swapped in. Thousands of continuation & reproductions are still being built today, actually way more than the original production run.

I should have been more clear. I meant the way everyone was defining 'sport's car'. And I was cranky when I posted. I still am, frankly. But the true definition has been diluted. We now have 4 door 'coupes' for f***'s sake. Why can't we just call things what they are. Like saying someone 'passed' instead of 'died'. 'Passed' what? A gas station? A mall? A Red Lobster? A chicken?

So how's that for cranky?..... 😁

Hops128i · 12-16-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrewcoja

It's a race car.

We'll have a e82 to watch in 2014!
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/con...iew-1484201577

mike@x-ph.com · 12-16-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by P90Puma

4 seats = not a sports car.

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Originally Posted by JTB

Like a Porsche 911 turbo or Nissan GT-R?

That being said, no, it is not a "sports car".

Spot on, first thing i thought of is a GTR when i read the first reply.
that being said it is a sporty coupe.

631twentyeighteye · 12-16-2013, 01:03 PM

To be frank, who gives a shit?

Suprgnat · 12-16-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hops128i

We'll have a e82 to watch in 2014!
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/con...iew-1484201577

Burton Racing took the CTSCC ST championship for 2013 in their 128i!

http://burtonracing.com

12-15-2013, 08:30 AM	#25
Walt White Coupe Captain 221 Rep 738 Posts Drives: 2013 650ix Coupe, 23 C8 Vette Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Phila, PA iTrader: (0)	I was only taking a poke at "Daft Auto" not BMW owners and of course I am one and have loved my BMW's. I just hate stupid stereotypes. And you are right, it is a world class sports car.
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Overpar56 Proud AARP member in good standing 28 Rep 635 Posts Drives: Me nuts Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Skyline, Chile iTrader: (0)	My horse broke a leg and I had to shoot him. Apologies (as I said before) if I offended anyone. Is my wife's Miata a sports car or a little car with a lot of fun built in? As for the Speed6 vs Mazda 6 I think it's a fair comparison. Yes, they built in an engine swap (DIrect Injection turbo 4, AWD via a Haldex unit, (no LSD but up to 50/50 split drive front to back, which was basically a front driver most of the time), bigger brakes, and a clutch that would break your leg, but most of the bones were still there. A good platform to build upon is the key. Dumping a big engine into a chassis that can't handle the weight HP or torque isn't really a performance anything, unless you go in a straight line all the time. __________________ 2012 135i DCT, Lemans Blue/black leather, PPK1, PE, Stoptech Sport rotors and Sport pads, unhealthy crackles and burbles and an aging demonic driver. Last edited by Overpar56; 12-15-2013 at 03:49 PM..
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CptSlow First Lieutenant 9 Rep 326 Posts Drives: 2014 Porsche Cayman S Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (2)	Everyone who posted so far is wrong. There are hardly any "sport's cars" being produced today. The term originated with British cars that had to constantly be tinkered with, were unreliable, uncomfortable, inconvenient, etc. As in: "That chap is a bloody good sport owning a car like that". Hence sport's car, not sports car. I can think of very few cars being produced today that fit that definition. Ariel Atom maybe? Lotus perhaps? Caterham? Certainly nothing built by BMW though. __________________ 2014 Porsche Cayman S 2013 E82 135is DCT (SOLD) 2011 E92 M3 (SOLD) 6MT 2011 E82 128i STEP (wife's car) 2007 E92 335i (SOLD) 6MT
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