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      04-24-2006, 08:50 PM   #67
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Yes that is in fact ALL YOU KNOW
What are you 12? BTW, it's really nice to actually have one to order it for. Make sure you tell us about what it feels like after you finish high school, move out of your parents house and attempt to make something of yourself.
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      04-24-2006, 08:50 PM   #68
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stop getting off topic and tell me why I'm wrong about the intake.
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      04-24-2006, 08:57 PM   #69
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What two are you comparing Aznbeemer?
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No one reply to 335e90 and he will go away people like him crave attention.
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      04-24-2006, 09:27 PM   #73
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I don't understand why you don't want to hear logical opinions and why you would rather believe a dyno that says a BMW's hp peaks at 5000RPM and a 325 has 233 ib-ft of torque. You guys can always just send the intakes back. Just because you own them doesn't mean you have to blindly defend them.
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What are you 12? BTW, it's really nice to actually have one to order it for. Make sure you tell us about what it feels like after you finish high school, move out of your parents house and attempt to make something of yourself.
The posting rules of the forum prohibits personal insults (which I can see this thread heading towards). Don't want to have to delete posts or close threads so please keep it on topic and avoid childish mudslinging.
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      04-24-2006, 09:39 PM   #75
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The posting rules of the forum prohibits personal insults (which I can see this thread heading towards). Don't want to have to delete posts or close threads so please keep it on topic and avoid childish mudslinging.
Thank you jason.
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HAHAHAHAHA THIS IS SOOO ENTERTAINING! I LOVE IT.... 335 has a point, and the other just likes to argue so its amazing how much fun forums actually get!
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The dyno is way off. It should be explained before this intake has any legitamacy. We're not haters, just not blind-faithers.
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LOL after Jason's post they didn't have anything to say....
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HAHAHAHAHA THIS IS SOOO ENTERTAINING! I LOVE IT.... 335 has a point, and the other just likes to argue so its amazing how much fun forums actually get!
It was fun while it lasted but it got boring fast. Damn my ADD!
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But seriously matsarge-no hard feelings man I didn't really intend to make it a personal attack.
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I agree, don't you?
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But seriously matsarge-no hard feelings man I didn't really intend to make it a personal attack.
Ok i see there is a huge problem 335e90 with the dyno numbers, but why do u feel that persons should not get the intake. Im honestly curious to your reasoning bc im really interested in getting one. But please so sarcasim in your response.
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don't wanna step on any toes but,

i always thought that changing the intake alone was a waste (power wise).
however, if you change the intake, exhaust and cpu then you tend to see pretty good dyno numbers that actually translate to a noticable power increase on the street/track.

of course, you could just wait for an add-on turbo or supercharger, but who would want to do that.
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I think one main thing everyone have to consider before thinking about purchasing these intake/cat back system is that the dyno numbers are not always what they seem in real world. I'm not saying this to just be telling people not to buy this intake, but at least give some info I've learned so everyone can be more informed and make a better decision. Dyno numbers produced within a dyno room under "simulated" conditions are very inacurrate. Not saying what you're seeing on that dyno chart is not real, but the fact is cars react differently when running on the road and just spinning tires in a dyno room. The "increase" could just be an increase you get when your car is sitting on a dyno, but when you're running out on the road, there might not be any type of increase at all. Also, a lot of these ram-air type intakes might end up sucking in more hot air then a regular airbox. You really should think twice and research even more times if you want to buy an intake for performance gain.
i totally agree with you that it is hard to similate real world driving conditions. you should see the set up they have at dinan in morgan hill, ca, just to do their r&d. their set-up is nothing like i have ever seen. if they didn't forbid us from taking pics inside the facility, i would show a pic right now. but even steve dinan himself said it is in no way 100% accurate. anyway, back to the point, you can't say that having the hood up when doing the dyno test is any better. if anything, it screws up the test more because hot air is escaping where it would be somewhat trapped in a moving car since the hood would be down.

the point is, if you see the torque numbers from the dyno sheet, where even the number for the stock intake number is way off from stock published number, one should think to himself, hey, there's no way this can be right and it should be retested. if need be, a second opinion from another dyno may be needed (yes, i know not all dynos are the same). my $0.03 (adjusted for inflation).

btw... believe me, i really want to see a decent aftermarket intake for the e90, but when you see weird numbers like the ones posted, you can't help but question what is being offered.

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Ok i see there is a huge problem 335e90 with the dyno numbers, but why do u feel that persons should not get the intake. Im honestly curious to your reasoning bc im really interested in getting one. But please so sarcasim in your response.
here's my opinion younghov85
sometimes i think certain people here think like they're always right and it gets worse when these haters only put negative comments in this forum, not being helpful whatsoever
for a fact no one cant trust those dyno numbers alone and i know for a fact that buying an intake will not increase my hp or anything and i bet lots of people know that too..the only thing i usually notice from an aftermarket intake is the different sound it produces thats all
but i dont care, its my money and i worked my ass off being a dishwasher to buy insignificant mods..its my passion ya know, i get that amazing sense of accomplishment once i get any kinda mods installed
and if anyone here gets offended by my post just pm me, say what u wanna say and i'll respect that
i would like to thank diesel and james too for this GB, no matter what everyone says about the intake
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But seriously matsarge-no hard feelings man I didn't really intend to make it a personal attack.
Likewise to you. No hard feelings. I agree that the torque numbers on the dyno look weird but if you look simply at the raw gain numbers on the dyno, 8 HP gain and 14 lb. of torque, those numbers are very similar to the dyno on the Fujita intake (which is a very similar design). The Fujita intake showed a 7 HP and 13 lb. of torque gain. To me, even though the torque numbers look high, the fact that the raw gains are on par with a similar intake gives the Britalman intake a leg to stand on.
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So here it goes- the stock airbox does an excellent job of keeping hot engine bay air out of the intake because it is completely sealed. The only possible way of improving on this design is by using a material that doesn't conduct heat as well. If you look at the design of the Britalman it is clear that the tiny heat shield would do a terrible job of keeping the hot engine bay air out. The Britalman is also not a cold-air intake, so there is no possible way that the Britalman delivers the air nearly as cold as the stock airbox. More than likely, this is why they dynoed the car with an open hood, to eliminate this problem and produce artificial results. So the only way it could have hp gains is if it flowed a ton more efficiently(needs to be a TON because the air is hotter), enough to offset the loss from the hot air. This would require a significant difference in flow, but it is almost impossible that there is that big of a difference between the air filter in the Britalman v. stock air filter. But lets suppose the air filter in the Britalman is just that much better(very unlikely)-then just buy the air filter the Britalman kit uses and put it in the stock airbox to get even greater gains than Britalman.
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Likewise to you. No hard feelings. I agree that the torque numbers on the dyno look weird but if you look simply at the raw gain numbers on the dyno, 8 HP gain and 14 lb. of torque, those numbers are very similar to the dyno on the Fujita intake (which is a very similar design). The Fujita intake showed a 7 HP and 13 lb. of torque gain. To me, even though the torque numbers look high, the fact that the raw gains are on par with a similar intake gives the Britalman intake a leg to stand on.
fujita costs $310 shipped too
but i wanna try out britalman, they actually have a distributor in my homecountry too so why not
ah its good to see that we're all gettin along
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