Quaife or Wavetrac?

gardelic · 09-23-2010, 03:59 PM

Which one is better for drifting and where is a cheap place to buy?
The difference to the stock one?Is money worth it?

ILMOSTRO · 09-23-2010, 04:50 PM

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HP Autosport · 11-01-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gardelic

Which one is better for drifting and where is a cheap place to buy?
The difference to the stock one?Is money worth it?

Well, would you rather have two wheels driving your car or one? I think the answer is obvious.

Which one is better for drifting? If you are competing, you will find most on a clutch type of LSD. Neither Quaife or Wavetrac will be the best for drifting.

As for street/HPDE/Track days, Quaife is the way to go. We sell both, but I personally run a Quaife in the car for its robust reliability.

People usually talk about the "zero load" condition. Wavetrac could possibly work better than Quaife if you put on wheel on ice and one wheel on asphalt. When does this really happen anyway? When you are on ice, no diff will work. Why not demonstrate the improvements in on-road performance instead?

The other situation is when one wheel is lifted off of the ground. Again, when does this really happen? If you are cornering with one wheel off of the ground on your drive wheel, something is wrong with your suspension tuning, and is definitely not the fastest way around the track.

1SerieStud · 11-01-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

Well, would you rather have two wheels driving your car or one? I think the answer is obvious.

Which one is better for drifting? If you are competing, you will find most on a clutch type of LSD. Neither Quaife or Wavetrac will be the best for drifting.

As for street/HPDE/Track days, Quaife is the way to go. We sell both, but I personally run a Quaife in the car for its robust reliability.

People usually talk about the "zero load" condition. Wavetrac could possibly work better than Quaife if you put on wheel on ice and one wheel on asphalt. When does this really happen anyway? When you are on ice, no diff will work. Why not demonstrate the improvements in on-road performance instead?

The other situation is when one wheel is lifted off of the ground. Again, when does this really happen? If you are cornering with one wheel off of the ground on your drive wheel, something is wrong with your suspension tuning, and is definitely not the fastest way around the track.

The opening statement is somewhat dramatic and rather inaccurate. An open differential does not drive the car with just one wheel. Only if there is a dominant loss of traction will the open differential allow one wheels to spin while the other is hooked - this is the main reason for which many people get an LSD, but not because the car is driven by 1 wheel. Also, LSD's do improve handling, and allows for drifting while keeping both wheels spinning, as others have mentioned.

HP Autosport · 11-01-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 1SerieStud

The opening statement is somewhat dramatic and rather inaccurate. An open differential does not drive the car with just one wheel. Only if there is a dominant loss of traction will the open differential allow one wheels to spin while the other is hooked - this is the main reason for which many people get an LSD, but not because the car is driven by 1 wheel. Also, LSD's do improve handling, and allows for drifting while keeping both wheels spinning, as others have mentioned.

The statement fits the op's situation just fine, try to drift a car with open diff and you will find most of the time one of wheels spins only, thus why I use the term "one wheel drive". There are other situations where "one wheel drive" can happen as well.

HP Autosport · 11-01-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by maxnix

"drifting competition" - Now that's an oxymoron.

Kind of like saying "Synchronized Swimming Shoot Out!"

They are both exhibitions, not competitions against a physically quantifiable measurement.

If the op were to say day to day driving, I would have probably not use the one wheel vs two wheel drive comparison.

GaryS · 11-01-2010, 05:06 PM

For drifting, Wavetrac and Quaife are about the same - much better than stock, but not as good as for example OS Giken.

Wavetrac is less expensive and has a slightly enhanced design. Quaife has proven reliability and better chance that the company will still exist long-term.

FWIW I always planned to buy a Quaife, but a Wavetrac was available for a really good price, so I grabbed it.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 11-02-2010, 10:54 AM

Both are great units but wavetrac seems more popular, so I always recommend to go with what the community is using as its easier to trouble shoot and get feedback from the group. Can't go wrong with either at the end of the day.

Mike

HP Autosport · 02-03-2011, 07:17 PM

Why would you need the community's help to trouble shoot if there is not a problem or noise to begin with? Quaife has been bullet prove and noise free. When a company has been around for nearly 20 years and continue to improve their products, we can see the results.

Wavetrac is just too new on the market with a good product, but still need to sort out a few things and prove its reliability.

JBW · 02-03-2011, 09:22 PM

OS Giken.

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 02-03-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

Why would you need the community's help to trouble shoot if there is not a problem or noise to begin with? Quaife has been bullet prove and noise free. When a company has been around for nearly 20 years and continue to improve their products, we can see the results.

Wavetrac is just too new on the market with a good product, but still need to sort out a few things and prove its reliability.

There is always installer error, etc... We've shipped about 20 units in the last few months without any complaints about noise, etc. I know Quaife is a very good unit as well, so I would say both are a great improvement over stock and the OP would be happy with either (marketing of products that we each sell aside)

Mike

HP Autosport · 02-03-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

There is always installer error, etc... We've shipped about 20 units in the last few months without any complaints about noise, etc. I know Quaife is a very good unit as well, so I would say both are a great improvement over stock and the OP would be happy with either (marketing of products that we each sell aside)

Mike

We are an authorized dealer and installer for both products and have seen more issue from one and none from the other. The noise is not from an installer error but more of an internal issue of the LSD itself.

You said you sold ~20 units, but I don't see N54tuning listed as an authorized dealer for Wavetrac....is there some sort of mistake here? How would you handle warranty issues?

MrBlonde · 02-04-2011, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JBW

OS Giken.

Drexler

HP Autosport · 02-04-2011, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBlonde

Drexler

Both the Drexler and OS Giken are excellent clutch type LSD units.

Drexler is easily twice the cost of the Quaife, but it is also used by the BMW Motorsport teams and race proven. However, its street manner may not be as quiet and smooth as the gear type LSD's. Anyone has one fo these on their street car?

MrBlonde · 02-04-2011, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

Both the Drexler and OS Giken are excellent clutch type LSD units.

Drexler is easily twice the cost of the Quaife, but it is also used by the BMW Motorsport teams and race proven. However, its street manner may not be as quiet and smooth as the gear type LSD's. Anyone has one fo these on their street car?

Yes I have Drexler diff and half shafts on mine.

HP Autosport · 02-04-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBlonde

Yes I have Drexler diff and half shafts on mine.

Drexler makes half shafts or did you mean stub axles?

MrBlonde · 02-04-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

Drexler makes half shafts or did you mean stub axles?

HP Autosport · 02-05-2011, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBlonde

These replace the stub axles and half shafts on the oe set-up, am I right? Must be used with the Drexler LSD I take it?

Flight135 · 02-05-2011, 05:02 AM

How much is it to get one installed?

MrBlonde · 02-05-2011, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HP Autowerks

These replace the stub axles and half shafts on the oe set-up, am I right? Must be used with the Drexler LSD I take it?

Yes.

HPFREAK · 02-07-2011, 11:35 AM

I was told by someone that has a Quaife with an auto trans that it was not a worth while mod. Who can honestly say it is worth the money?

humanferret · 02-11-2011, 06:05 AM

So, can anyone round out the comparison with an update on the performance of the Dinan LSD for the n55 135i? It was added to their web site a little more than a week ago.

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