Camber plates needed?

SLO · 07-05-2009, 08:06 PM

What is the max camber you can get without camber plates if you trim off the tab at the strut tower? I am going to lower my car and have the 8.5" GTS-R's in the front with 245 F1 Assyms. I have heard that you need at least 1.5 degree of camber. Can I get that without camber plates?

TMc135 · 07-05-2009, 08:13 PM

Without switching control arms and just removing the alignment pins I don't think you can get more than about -0.5 but double check that. I have the exact same wheels and tires and before I got my suspension and camber plates I ran this setup with a 5mm spacer up front with zero problems - no rubbing at all. Granted it wasn't lowered but I did autocross with it and still had no rubbing so with this exact tire setup you will be very close. One advantage to the setup you are running is that it's a 35 (245/35/18) vs a "40" which would likely give you more problems. Good luck.

SLO · 07-05-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TMc135

Without switching control arms and just removing the alignment pins I don't think you can get more than about 0.5 but double check that. I have the exact same wheels and tires and before I got my suspension and camber plates I ran this setup with a 5mm spacer up front with zero problems - no rubbing at all. Granted it wasn't lowered but I did autocross with it and still had no rubbing so with this exact tire setup you will be very close. One advantage to the setup you are running is that it's a 35 (245/35/18) vs a "40" which would likely give you more problems. Good luck.

Thanks! Yeah, I am running it now with factory suspension with no issues but I will be running the FSD/Eiback kit as soon as it is released and I want to install camber plates at the same time if in fact I need them.

pkcormier · 07-05-2009, 08:38 PM

I have been using 8.5" GTS-R's on all four corners with 245 Kumho V700 tires and 10mm spacers - no rub. I did, however have Vorshlag camber plates with about -2.4 neg up front. Stock suspension.

I recently added the M3 lower control arms and can dial in about -3.2 neg up front. I did this to accomodate wider tires. I just mounted and tested (today in fact) 255x35x18 Toyo R888 tires without any issues to far. I tested on a couple shopping center speed bumps and a couple fast corners. So far so good.

If you plan to lower your car and run 245 or wider tires, I think you will have rubbing issues up front with stock camber settings. You can remedy that by either rolling your fenders or getting camber plates. I track my car so camber plates are a must. But even for street driving, I think camber plates are a better option than permanently modifying the fenders. Don't get me wrong, I will roll mine if necessary, but I would go with camber plates first.

SLO · 07-05-2009, 11:09 PM

-2.4 is pretty agressive. Is that for handling, so the tires don't rub, or both? I was thinking -1.5 to -2 at the most.

CDR_UK · 07-06-2009, 01:20 AM

with the pin removed and the m3 arms I got -1.1 max, and my friend with the same setup got -1.3 max. You will need the camber plates for 245 tyres.

pkcormier · 07-06-2009, 09:04 AM

Those camber settings are for the track. I listed them so you could get an idea what your max camber would be with plates and the M3 arms.

I dial back the camber to about -2.0 for the street. No rubbing issues with 245 at -2.0 on stock suspension.

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-2.4 is pretty agressive. Is that for handling, so the tires don't rub, or both? I was thinking -1.5 to -2 at the most.

BMWeber · 07-06-2009, 02:22 PM

I ran 245 PS2s with no camber modification other than pulling the alignment pins out. my wheels have a 38et and I have about 6-8mm clearance to the strut. whats the offset of your wheels?

trboboost91 · 07-06-2009, 07:48 PM

i just got done aligning my car today.
with the pins pulled i only got -.3 camber on the Left. i did however
get -1.0 on the right.
does this sound right? im pretty sure the camber was moved in as far as possible and thats still all i could get on the left. should i have that big of a difference side to side?

i did buy M3 arms but havent installed them yet.

CDR_UK · 07-08-2009, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWeber

I ran 245 PS2s with no camber modification other than pulling the alignment pins out. my wheels have a 38et and I have about 6-8mm clearance to the strut. whats the offset of your wheels?

I guess your car is not lowered though...

BMWeber · 07-08-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CDR_UK

I guess your car is not lowered though...

I also have Bilstein PSS10 set rather low. but the PS2 Have very round sidewalls

07-05-2009, 08:06 PM	#1
SLO Shane 41 Rep 363 Posts Drives: M3, RRS, LR4 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (0)	Camber plates needed? What is the max camber you can get without camber plates if you trim off the tab at the strut tower? I am going to lower my car and have the 8.5" GTS-R's in the front with 245 F1 Assyms. I have heard that you need at least 1.5 degree of camber. Can I get that without camber plates?
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07-05-2009, 08:13 PM	#2
TMc135 Private First Class 19 Rep 170 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Columbus, OH iTrader: (6) Garage List 2011 BMW M3 (E90) [0.00]	Without switching control arms and just removing the alignment pins I don't think you can get more than about -0.5 but double check that. I have the exact same wheels and tires and before I got my suspension and camber plates I ran this setup with a 5mm spacer up front with zero problems - no rubbing at all. Granted it wasn't lowered but I did autocross with it and still had no rubbing so with this exact tire setup you will be very close. One advantage to the setup you are running is that it's a 35 (245/35/18) vs a "40" which would likely give you more problems. Good luck. __________________ DD & Track Car: 2011 E90 M3 w/Ohlin R&T's, Vorshlag camber plates, Hotchkis swaybars and other mods. (2008 135i modded - SOLD, 2006 E90 330xi - SOLD, 1995 M3 track car - SOLD) Last edited by TMc135; 07-07-2009 at 10:30 PM..
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07-05-2009, 08:38 PM	#4
pkcormier Private First Class 15 Rep 189 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0)	I have been using 8.5" GTS-R's on all four corners with 245 Kumho V700 tires and 10mm spacers - no rub. I did, however have Vorshlag camber plates with about -2.4 neg up front. Stock suspension. I recently added the M3 lower control arms and can dial in about -3.2 neg up front. I did this to accomodate wider tires. I just mounted and tested (today in fact) 255x35x18 Toyo R888 tires without any issues to far. I tested on a couple shopping center speed bumps and a couple fast corners. So far so good. If you plan to lower your car and run 245 or wider tires, I think you will have rubbing issues up front with stock camber settings. You can remedy that by either rolling your fenders or getting camber plates. I track my car so camber plates are a must. But even for street driving, I think camber plates are a better option than permanently modifying the fenders. Don't get me wrong, I will roll mine if necessary, but I would go with camber plates first.
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07-05-2009, 11:09 PM	#5
SLO Shane 41 Rep 363 Posts Drives: M3, RRS, LR4 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (0)	-2.4 is pretty agressive. Is that for handling, so the tires don't rub, or both? I was thinking -1.5 to -2 at the most.
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07-06-2009, 01:20 AM	#6
CDR_UK Second Lieutenant 15 Rep 226 Posts Drives: AW 1M Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: home iTrader: (0)	with the pin removed and the m3 arms I got -1.1 max, and my friend with the same setup got -1.3 max. You will need the camber plates for 245 tyres.
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BMWeber Major 36 Rep 1,329 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Amesbury, MA iTrader: (5)	I ran 245 PS2s with no camber modification other than pulling the alignment pins out. my wheels have a 38et and I have about 6-8mm clearance to the strut. whats the offset of your wheels?
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07-06-2009, 07:48 PM	#9
trboboost91 Second Lieutenant 20 Rep 219 Posts Drives: 07 e90 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: always at work for some reason iTrader: (1)	i just got done aligning my car today. with the pins pulled i only got -.3 camber on the Left. i did however get -1.0 on the right. does this sound right? im pretty sure the camber was moved in as far as possible and thats still all i could get on the left. should i have that big of a difference side to side? i did buy M3 arms but havent installed them yet.
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