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      07-06-2013, 11:20 PM   #23
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There is no way the M2 will be better than the 1M. Mark my words.
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      07-07-2013, 12:23 AM   #24
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      07-07-2013, 12:35 AM   #25
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There is no way the M2 will be better than the 1M. Mark my words.
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      07-07-2013, 01:07 AM   #26
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      07-07-2013, 05:20 AM   #27
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I would love to see this... this would be exactly the differentiation I am referring to.. all the M3 fans (some will need to become M4 fans lol) can continue to have a GT vehicle that has the vaunted 6 cylinder that NEWER bmw fans think is the end all be all of BMW design. They can continue on in their ignorant bliss, disgusted with the fact that a 6 cyl motor wasnt employed in the 1M and they will wait for the M3/M4.

** Proper Enthusiasts ** will be happy with a 4 cylinder turbo motor that has a ton of useable torque, in a lighter weight vehicle that hopefully will be in a market segment with other enthusiast vehicles like the WRX/STI , Mitsu Evo and VW R32, the Subaru BRZ and the Porsche Cayman. True enthusiasts will look at the specs of the car.. weight.. wheelbase.. headroom.. legroom.. and of course engine stats and hope for a fun car that is just like the 1M.
Yes, only anomaly was S14, E30 chassis not allowed to use huge long M88 engine, even S14 engine mid point come little in front of the axle. Still they planned to go back to inline six, 1993 they tested E36 prototype, whit I6 engine, it never come out because BMW leave DTM.

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      07-07-2013, 01:47 PM   #28
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Not sure why any tech or anyone would consider the 1m something that interesting from their perspective given its engine is seen in all the IS models essentially and the suspension is the m3 stuff and the rest is a 135. So conceptually and as a drivers car it is special but from a technical standpoint it hardly is anything special to take a look at or work on.

The m3 and s65 is a much more rare bread to any tech or someone who works on cars as there are only a handful of them come through the service vs. the n54 is the most worked on engine these days in service
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Not sure why any tech or anyone would consider the 1m something that interesting from their perspective given its engine is seen in all the IS models essentially and the suspension is the m3 stuff and the rest is a 135. So conceptually and as a drivers car it is special but
from a technical standpoint it hardly is anything special to take a look at or work on.

The m3 and s65 is a much more rare bread to any tech or someone who works on cars as there are only a handful of them come through the service vs. the n54 is the most worked on engine these days in service
It is a driver's car exactly(also compared to the E9x M3)

Analogy:
From a technical standpoint a Bugatti Veyron for example is maybe the most high tech car stock available, ever.

But there are many many many better driver's cars around (for a lot less money too.)

And yes I do know Macca has their P1(Macca F1 is more a driver's car I think) , Porker the 918 coming out soon, and Ferrari the La, but they are 'green' cars more or less

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      07-07-2013, 02:04 PM   #30
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Not sure why any tech or anyone would consider the 1m something that interesting from their perspective given its engine is seen in all the IS models essentially and the suspension is the m3 stuff and the rest is a 135. So conceptually and as a drivers car it is special but from a technical standpoint it hardly is anything special to take a look at or work on.

The m3 and s65 is a much more rare bread to any tech or someone who works on cars as there are only a handful of them come through the service vs. the n54 is the most worked on engine these days in service
Hello Mr M3, and your commenting on a car that you haven't even driven why? Please you have no opinion about the car unless you have actually driven one!

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      07-07-2013, 02:11 PM   #31
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I would like to add a 1M is actually more 'rare bread' than any E9x M3 this side of a GTS /CRT looking at the production numbers...

But just drive the thing as Redadair stated, if you have any chance.


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      07-07-2013, 03:19 PM   #32
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Not sure why any tech or anyone would consider the 1M something that interesting from their perspective
Although they got a lot of body parts and genes in common, most people who got acquainted, c.q. befriended, consider the younger sister a tad more desirable than the older bigger one, especially because she's a tad sexier and harder to get. Arrange for a date and you know why.
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      07-07-2013, 06:17 PM   #33
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I never have driven one? I owned one for 4 months along side my m3 but was not a car I personally enjoyed and sold it for a bit more than I paid for it so jumped at that chance. When I woke up each day I found myself wanting to take my m3 and after a few months it made no sense to keep both and sold while I could not only get my money but make a bit as well. Great car but hardly something I have ever seen someone really get excited about.
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      07-07-2013, 07:10 PM   #34
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I never have driven one? I owned one for 4 months along side my m3 but was not a car I personally enjoyed and sold it for a bit more than I paid for it so jumped at that chance. When I woke up each day I found myself wanting to take my m3 and after a few months it made no sense to keep both and sold while I could not only get my money but make a bit as well. Great car but hardly something I have ever seen someone really get excited about.
Well, everyone has personal preferences. Mine is the exact opposite of yours and there are plenty of us who feel that way. Both great cars.

As for the 1M being nothing special, that is a little inflammatory and just flat out not true. My car has been serviced at 3 different dealers and all the service advisers and assistants were thrilled to see a rare car, many whom had never seen one in person. More so than the "dime a dozen" M3. At a local car show, my lowly 1M garnered more attention than most M3's. My brother in law owns a BMW repair shop and has never worked on a 1M. He would happily take it off my hands even though it has such common parts. But again both the M3 and 1M are great. If the 1M wasn't around, I would be in an M3. They are the best available DD's in my opinion.
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      07-07-2013, 07:30 PM   #35
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Well, everyone has personal preferences.
My personal preferences is turbocharged car, that's why I lean against 1M
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      07-07-2013, 09:31 PM   #36
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I never have driven one? I owned one for 4 months along side my m3 but was not a car I personally enjoyed and sold it for a bit more than I paid for it so jumped at that chance. When I woke up each day I found myself wanting to take my m3 and after a few months it made no sense to keep both and sold while I could not only get my money but make a bit as well. Great car but hardly something I have ever seen someone really get excited about.
Longwong, you seem to have the car you liked more and you enjoy it. Exactly like most of us here So, good for you and congrats but I hardly see the point you are making in relevance to the thread topic we are discussing, which is 1M vs. M2.

Now, having said that, if you think that a V8 M3 that you proudly own is "interesting" from a technical point of view but a 1M is not/nyet/nada, I would then remind you that the main technical difference between these two cars, namely the S65 engine did not fall from heaven, the technology was there, applied on another BMW already, as we all know, it is essentially a minus 2 cylinder version of the S85 of E60 M5. Does this fact make the S65 or the M3 carrying that engine "uninteresting" or dull because that was not really a novelty? We are not talking about Ferraris of old times here, these are mainstream performance cars and even a Pagani carries a Mercedes engine, either Zonda or Huayra, I find them very much interesting technical or otherwise.

By the way, I like M3s, who doesn't after all? Proof? Look around, even in Chile, they are in every second corner and you need to look closely to spot that it indeed is a M3 since from a distance, kind of hard to tell. In my case, if BMW wouldn't make the 1M I would have one too, again, why not, everybody else does it?, and would just try to ignore its size and weight and a few other minor stuff I am not crazy about, and instead I would concentrate in all the good things (and they are plenty, sounds good for instance etc.) it makes in such a sublime way.
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      07-08-2013, 05:34 AM   #37
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I think Mr OP is right, the lack of pure consideration time that the 1M had through from conception to establishment I think has created a car which in hindsight, may not have been one which, given due consideration (cost, wide audience appeal, political correctness, etc) would have been produced.

Manual only limits it severely to a certain customer, the size also as does the cost. When I took one for a drive, which I didn't really intend to do after visiting BMW ready to put a deposit down on an M3, the first thing I thought........ well the second thing after ... Fwooar.......... that was actually the first, was good on BMW, or any other manufacturer with that thought, for making a car like this. I thought those days were gone.

Let's not get into an M3 vs 1M war as seems typical, they are (in my opinion and experience) rather different cars. This will of course result in them appealing to rather different customers (even though I was going to buy an M3), but my point here is that there is no need arguing over m3, 1M as I see it like arguing over 911 Turbo vs GT3 RS. Different focus, different appeal.

It's of no surprise to see the 1M compared to the stripper Cayman regularly as it offers this similar style of experience, raw, hard edged, pure, focussed.

The M3 is often compared to the RS4, C63 etc, as it fits into that market better, super fast, comfortable touring coupe/sedan.

And that's exactly how I experienced the two cars. So there should be no argument between the two cars, different horses.

Back to the point, I think the 1M is brilliant for it's imposed time constraints which I think allowed it to get through without being sensiblised... yeah I made up a word so.? ..

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      07-08-2013, 11:38 AM   #39
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hardly something I have ever seen someone really get excited about.


I have never seen anybody NOT excited by, or at least interested in, the 1M. Men, boys, women, girls, people not interested in cars. All included - even my stepmother.


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I never have driven one? I owned one for 4 months along side my m3 but was not a car I personally enjoyed and sold it for a bit more than I paid for it so jumped at that chance. When I woke up each day I found myself wanting to take my m3 and after a few months it made no sense to keep both and sold while I could not only get my money but make a bit as well. Great car but hardly something I have ever seen someone really get excited about.
I'm sure if you repeat this to yourself enough times it really does become true.

You are a very rare person, the only person I have heard of that doesn't like both the looks and the drive of the 1M. I have driven many e90 M3's and while I find them great cars both from a looks point of and driving point of view the 1M goes over the top on both fronts.
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1. The M2 will be a I4 twin-scroll motor that will never be as powerful as the tweaked N54tu in the 1M.

2. The 1M weighs ~3300lbs, there is no way the M2 will weigh less.

3. The steering in the 1M is straight from the M3, will BMW improve on this with the M2? Doubtful.

4. Handling. The complete M3 underpinnings put the 1M on par with the M3 even though it was a little more "exciting" due to the shorter wheelbase, but that is part of the appeal with the 1M.

So the way I see it, BMW would have to make the M2 a lot lighter, I'm talking 3200lbs at least and they would have to put in an I6 TT. That would just entirely cannibalize the M3/4 and BMW will never do that. So at best, they might get the weight to the 1M's but whatever engine they put in will still fall short of the ridiculously underrated 1M's powerplant.

The parts used to enhance the 135 into a 1M were not leftover pieces of scrap metal, it was the best bits M division had in it's arsenal at the time.

"The 1M is less Frankenstein and more Weird Science!" - Pavel Metak






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The 1M can be considered as one the kinkiest girls of the BMW family lushly whispering in your ear: "Wanna dance ?"

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