BMW 1M Coupe Partially Unveiled at Oktoberfest! [INFO, VIDEO & PHOTOS]

[02fireman]

Originally Posted by niuniu

Jan '11, Detroit by the looks of it

I'll be there.....camera and drool wipe in hand

[niuniu]

Originally Posted by 02fireman

I'll be there.....camera and drool wipe in hand

Haha, lucky for you. I'll be trying to keep my eyes open hitting refresh the forum page

[wisesoul]

I don't think only offering a 6MT will hurt sales that much. If it has a good tranny and the engine is awesome, people will buy it. I see a bunch of FD2 Civic Si's running around and Honda only makes them in a 6MT too. This car will attract some enthusiasts for sure.

[bz888]

What we need to understand is BMW is a business who's primary goal is to be profitable and provide a high return on capital.

Do you think they would come out and say, "We are not offering M-DCT because it will outperform the M3 and destabilise the M3 sales."?

Of course NOT! They will feed us stories like "Costs too Much" or "No Time to Develop" or "Trying to Reduce Weight".

We all know that the development time and cost excuse is NOT very convincing, since as mentioned earlier, DCT is offered with the N54 in the Z4 which is a RWD configuration.

Reduce Weight Argument? Well there are many simple ways to reduce weight before considering gearbox as an excuse. Options, Nav, Lightweight Materials etc.

Basically, they will add DCT to the 1M once the NEW M3 is on the market and the goal post has been moved.

I'm sorry, but this is plain internal politics and we get the bad end of the deal.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by bz888

We all know that the development time and cost excuse is NOT very convincing, since as mentioned earlier, DCT is offered with the N54 in the Z4 which is a RWD configuration.

I tend to disagree: Just because it's offered in the Z4 doesn't mean it's available for the 1M. For example, there's way more room in the Z4's engine bay than in the E82's. Hence, despite fitting into the Z4 comfortably, the same layout might require a massive re-engineering for another car.


Best regards,
south

[Moo]

Originally Posted by niuniu

Jan '11, Detroit by the looks of it

Rats! The full photo set need to be leaked, pronto

[Smokey]

Originally Posted by southlight

I tend to disagree: Just because it's offered in the Z4 doesn't mean it's available for the 1M. For example, there's way more room in the Z4's engine bay than in the E82's. Hence, despite fitting into the Z4 comfortably, the same layout might require a massive re-engineering for another car.


Best regards,
south

South, isn't the 1M rumored to have some version of the N55 engine? If yes, then, I don't understand the argument about high cost of porting the DCT to the 1M, since that transmission is already available in the N55 powered 135i. The only way the high cost claim could be valid is if the 1M has more plumbing in its engine bay, in which case I would concur with your argument.

[Drillslinger]

What's the difference between the DCT and the M-DCT? The (N55) 135 has a DCT sure, but would ///M put a "regular" DCT into an M car?

[Smokey]

Originally Posted by Drillslinger

What's the difference between the DCT and the M-DCT? The (N55) 135 has a DCT sure, but would ///M put a "regular" DCT into an M car?

I might be wrong, but I thought the difference had to do with the software or programming

[southlight]

Originally Posted by Smokey

South, isn't the 1M rumored to have some version of the N55 engine? If yes, then, I don't understand the argument about high cost of porting the DCT to the 1M, since that transmission is already available in the N55 powered 135i. The only way the high cost claim could be valid is if the 1M has more plumbing in its engine bay, in which case I would concur with your argument.

Obviously I don't know which engine they use, but I think it's possible that the N54 plus DCT wouldn't fit in the E82:




Best regards,
south

[cipher5]

This car is going to be a beast!

[issabmw]

wheres the guy who was so sure this was not an //M that he said he would give all of his money if it was?

i would like to have a word with him

[issabmw]

Wow...

I have a 128 for sale if anyones interested

[southlight]

Rolex will love that shot.


Best regards,
south

[///Mangler]

Originally Posted by southlight

Rolex will love that shot.


Best regards,
south

Too bad he wears it on the wrong arm. Can't change the settings without taking it off.

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[bz888]

Originally Posted by southlight

Obviously I don't know which engine they use, but I think it's possible that the N54 plus DCT wouldn't fit in the E82:

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Best regards,
south

I don't think it's a space issue. I am familiar with the Audi R-Tronic Gearbox. It's uses a standard 6 Speed MT Graziano Gearbox with Selector Actuators and control from Magneti Marrelli. The actuators and control unit would be the size of a medium size breakfast cereal box. Add some hydraulic lines and some fluid and your nearly done.

Besides, the 135i is available with DCT, hence i honest don't think "Space" is an issue. Fact is, BMW playing the 911 vs Cayman game!!

[Jaguar66]

Originally posted by Scott26
...unfortunately because this is a (for M) a very cost effective project the costs threatened to spiral out of control in terms for the inclusion of an M DCT.

I honestly think the reason for no DCT is as Scott explained. I believe the 1M car with a DCT will start to encroach on the M3s price. And to keep the interest in an entry level M car, they had to keep the cars price significantly lower than an M3s price. The MSRP of a highly optioned 135i already gets relatively close to the highly discounted M3s that are sitting around.

The initially released non discounted MT versions of the 1M are already going to start to get close to the discounted M3s. That would spell suicide for the 1M. People already think the 135i is too costly, especially a fully optioned one. If the DCT 1M costs as much as a manual transmissioned M3, BMW will lose, since the 1M won't be as attractive.

I really do believe it has to do with price structure getting closer to the M3.

If it was performance related, all BMW would have to do keep that from happening is limit the power output of the engine, be it the N54 or the N55. That would keep a DCT 1M from getting close to the M3.

[mafoofan]

Maybe they want to keep the DCT out of the 1M to ensure that the fastest M3 stays faster than the fastest 1M.

[Mu Mu]

Originally Posted by MarcusDubya77

I could give a shit whether the 1 is a manny or DCT. I just want it at a reasonable price. To the asshats preaching manny only, grow up and realize that not everyone can shift, and to those crying for a DCT, learn to shift. POINT BLANK...Don't make up excuses about city traffic.blah blah blah ..It doesn't matter what tranny this thing comes with, because it could possibly be the car BMW has been needing very badly to reestablish itself as a driver's car. Its ridiculous to bicker about the tranny. M3????overrated...so this is what BMW needs. Cause anyone could by a Mustangs Boss for 38K...Now what!!!Fit, finish, and quality are non subjective, because no one under 60 could really give a shit about those..So please, if anything, make the 1M about 45K...Thank you..Off the soap box...oh yeah..manny's rock!!!

Originally Posted by 02fireman

For those that want to really FEEL, you need the 6MT.
Besides, NO autotrajic = less issues down the road
And for those that don't want to deal with stop and go traffic, get a beater car with an auto and leave your 1M in the garage. If I am fortunate enough to be able to aquire one, I will be driving my Toyota to work. This car is meant to be more of a collectable anyway, not a DD.

Originally Posted by tlav17

manual only is great news to me! now maybe i'll actually be able to get one that isn't marked up way over the sticker price. and i don't know why people are so shocked that BMW would only offer one transmission. they did it with the Z4M coupe and roadster. it's not like BMW is counting on the sales of this car to keep the company alive. however, we don't even have facts yet. let's wait till we have more than an "inside source" before this turns into a big 6MT vs. DCT thread

Originally Posted by KSA ///M3

I think BMW M decided to offer the 1M Coupe just in 6MT so the DCT 1M wouldn't threat or be close to the 6MT E9X M3's performance. I may be wrong though!

Finally! Some people who actually get it!

[bz888]

Originally Posted by mafoofan

Maybe they want to keep the DCT out of the 1M to ensure that the fastest M3 stays faster than the fastest 1M.

CORRECT!! +1

[2M]

I believe it's called a 1M because it would come with the current 35 engine. If it had its own engine they would have called it a M1. Just my thought on the naming.

[aajami]

I'm willing to bet that the "lights" change that Bimmerfile is alluding to will be new taillights with thick light tubes similar in design to the E90 LCI, E92 LCI, X5 LCI, F10, and F01.