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      03-05-2006, 01:46 AM   #23
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I deactivated my triple turn signal a week or so after picking up my E90 as I couldn't get along with it or see the point.

Three flashes is not really enough to correctly signal anything. I prefer to be in control. I find it easy enough to hold the stalk at the resistance point for the duration of signaling intent to, and completing, a lane change.

As for cancelling a "latched" signal by moving the stalk in the same direction as the signal, I discovered this a few days ago. It is a good way of not giving false signals, although it's not so essential if you have disabled "triple turn", as any false signal would be momentary.
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looked to me like you just figured out that you can cancel the turn signal by pushing it again (either direction works, but you'd just discovered the same direction works in your post)

Maybe I can't read, but looked to me like you were unable to tell if you'd pushed the stalk past the "break" point

if it makes you feel any better I don't even have the option to that function on/off in my car (I love it though, I like it on)
I see what you're saying now. Before this BMW, I was driving an Explorer, which by comparison is fairly crude. The turn signal had to be moved substantially, and the tactile feedback from the "break" point was much more noticeable.

I'm becoming more familiar with the ins and outs of my e90, most of which I truly love. Just an aside, it's taking me awhile to get used to the delay I get with my iDrive. I wish the response to my commands were more instantaneous. I know I'm digressing, but this just popped into my head.
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Hey ksfrogman,I used to have the same problem when I got the car but now using the turn signal has become second nature.But once in a while I will inadvertently grab the turn signal/high beam stalk and blind oncoming traffic instead of the cruise control one.
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The indicators are quite intuitive. They work like everything else. Up to the "click" gives you a shorter, "incomplete" function, PAST the click gives you the full monty.

The indicators work just like the window controls.
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hey thanks for sharing man. I've done that a few times and I KNOW people behind me were going "wtf is up with this guy?". Thanks again.
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Are you Jonathan Spira, the writer for Roundel? I was reading the article on European Delivery in the issue I just got in the mail and noticed your byline. I thought I recognized you from on here.
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ksfrogman - Thanks for sharing that. That's a great tip. I was not aware that you could cancel a signal by pushing the stalk again in the same direction, and I have done the 'blinker shuffle' several times myself. After just getting used to the new feel of it when I got the car, I still occasionally do it when I'm merging into heavy traffic and my concentration is elsewhere. Can't wait to try it out.

As far as the three blink lane change position - I absolutely love it. I had that in my Mercedes and then lost it when I drove a Passat for awhile. Nice to have that back. Bears mentioning that only Post-September cars can change that option or disable it.
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      03-05-2006, 09:18 AM   #30
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ksfrogman - Thanks for sharing that. That's a great tip. I was not aware that you could cancel a signal by pushing the stalk again in the same direction, and I have done the 'blinker shuffle' several times myself. After just getting used to the new feel of it when I got the car, I still occasionally do it when I'm merging into heavy traffic and my concentration is elsewhere. Can't wait to try it out.

As far as the three blink lane change position - I absolutely love it. I had that in my Mercedes and then lost it when I drove a Passat for awhile. Nice to have that back. Bears mentioning that only Post-September cars can change that option or disable it.
That's a great way to describe it--the "blinker shuffle."

You're welcome. I'm glad I could contribute something useful. I'm also excited about using the triple turn signal feature again.
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Three flashes is not really enough to correctly signal anything. I prefer to be in control. I find it easy enough to hold the stalk at the resistance point for the duration of signaling intent to, and completing, a lane change.
Agreed. Actually, on several occasions ppl. have honked at me or flashed me when trying to get in their lane after using the 3-signal feature. Maybe they think I'm not signalling "enough" or whatever. I still use it though...shoot, better than ppl. who don't even signal at all.
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The fact that most of us have had "episodes" with these blinkers proves that they are counterintuitive & poorly designed (come on...we're car enthusiasts!). My 02 A4 had the 3 courtesy blinks too, yet was so easy to use. This is a great car with a crappy blinker stalk.
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so i say........Cool!
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Hey ksfrogman,I used to have the same problem when I got the car but now using the turn signal has become second nature.But once in a while I will inadvertently grab the turn signal/high beam stalk and blind oncoming traffic instead of the cruise control one.
I will confuse the cruise control and turn signal stalks from time to time as well.
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Agreed. Actually, on several occasions ppl. have honked at me or flashed me when trying to get in their lane after using the 3-signal feature. Maybe they think I'm not signalling "enough" or whatever. I still use it though...shoot, better than ppl. who don't even signal at all.
Here in Atlanta, blinkers are meaningless. You can have your blinker on for a minute before changing lanes, and if someone is in the lane you are getting into they will act pissed. Plus, if you signal that you want to change lanes too early, they will just close the gap so you can't get over. The brief 3 blink feature is perfect. There isn't enough time for them to stop you from getting over.
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It took me a little while to get used to cancelling the turn signal, just like all of us who have experienced this system for the first time. Just like controlling anything new for the first time with its specific actions, I too had the same blinking experiences with left, right, left, right trying to cancel the indicators.

I persisted with it for a short while and it is not a problem. In fact it is very easy to operate and cancel.
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I will confuse the cruise control and turn signal stalks from time to time as well.
I'm ashamed to admit this happens to me too. It's usually when I'm holding my left hand too low on the steering wheel.

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Here in Atlanta, blinkers are meaningless. You can have your blinker on for a minute before changing lanes, and if someone is in the lane you are getting into they will act pissed. Plus, if you signal that you want to change lanes too early, they will just close the gap so you can't get over. The brief 3 blink feature is perfect. There isn't enough time for them to stop you from getting over.
Here in Southern California, this discourtesy is happening more and more now that traffic has gotten so bad. I used to think California drivers were some of the best in the U.S. That has changed a lot.
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I think the reason drivers here in Atlanta don't want to let people over is because when traffic is jammed, someone who is switching lanes just to get somewhere faster pisses people off because they all want to get wherever they are going faster. Then when someone needs to get over to get to their exit or to make a turn, people just instinctively try and stop them from changing lanes.
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I think the reason drivers here in Atlanta don't want to let people over is because when traffic is jammed, someone who is switching lanes just to get somewhere faster pisses people off because they all want to get wherever they are going faster. Then when someone needs to get over to get to their exit or to make a turn, people just instinctively try and stop them from changing lanes.
It's even worse in Cali. Especially if you drive a BMW and you try to get into someone else's lane, it pisses them off even more. It's that "you're not going to get ahead of me" mentality.

What pisses me off is when they leave enough room for you to make a lane change but as soon as you signal, they accelerate and block that from happening. It can get pretty nasty.
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I will confuse the cruise control and turn signal stalks from time to time as well.
Me too!

When I go to operate the cruise control, I often have to deliberately check which stalk I am using by moving a finger up to touch the indicator stalk!

I think making the cruise control the same shape and size as the indicator stalk is a piece of ergonomic stupidity!

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Me too!



I think making the cruise control the same shape and size as the indicator stalk is a piece of ergonomic stupidity!

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Thanks. I had the same problem, and did not enjoy the 'blinker spaz' that came with compensation. I also mistake hi beams for cruise, etc at times, though I chalk it up to my conditioning from being in my last car for 11 years.

BTW for those "read the manual" people....I did read each of the little manuals that came in the leather binder, (which doesnt seem to fit in the glove compartment) but there's only so much one can absorb at once. Also, I fell asleep a few times while reading it. It's not exactly riveting stuff. I did learn that my e90 can't repeal the laws of physics, but that's another thread.

Muscle memory certainly is an odd thing. My Honda had these two little buttons to hit for the horn. It was disconcerting when, while driving my new e90 I saw someone jump out ahead of me and in lightning quick response I ....changed the radio station.
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I did read each of the little manuals that came in the leather binder, (which doesnt seem to fit in the glove compartment) but there's only so much one can absorb at once.
Yeah, what is up with the manual not fitting in the glove box? I have to keep mine in the trunk! I actually do have the main manual in the glove box, but the leather binder with all the other stuff has to go in the trunk.
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What pisses me off is when they leave enough room for you to make a lane change but as soon as you signal, they accelerate and block that from happening. It can get pretty nasty.

I think that happens everywhere..
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