Guys with Meth

MikeVictor · 11-11-2011, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pcockley

No I don't see any difference. I would be willing to bet that no one on here has informed their insurance co of EVERYTHING they have modded on their car.

That'd be a losing bet with me mate, I've listed EVERYTHING. Full disclosure and you've got no problems with a denied claim down the track. They almost know me by the sound of my voice given I ring up every few months to add something to the list.

JB4-335 · 11-11-2011, 04:07 AM

The only thing you need know is that meth is highly flammable and you must always have a sufficient amount of water mixed in to reduced its boiling point. But running 100% is an amazing and fun. I've done it a few times and car responds extremely well.

RaihaX · 11-11-2011, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JB4135

The only thing you need know is that meth is highly flammable and you must always have a sufficient amount of water mixed in to reduced its boiling point. But running 100% is an amazing and fun. I've done it a few times and car responds extremely well.

I bet - that would be fun!

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Originally Posted by mattyv

That'd be a losing bet with me mate, I've listed EVERYTHING. Full disclosure and you've got no problems with a denied claim down the track. They almost know me by the sound of my voice given I ring up every few months to add something to the list.

That is what I prefer to do to avoid any issues if something were to happen...

pcockley · 11-11-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mattyv

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Originally Posted by pcockley

No I don't see any difference. I would be willing to bet that no one on here has informed their insurance co of EVERYTHING they have modded on their car.

That'd be a losing bet with me mate, I've listed EVERYTHING. Full disclosure and you've got no problems with a denied claim down the track. They almost know me by the sound of my voice given I ring up every few months to add something to the list.

Well that's gotta be a first. Can I ask who you are insured with and what mods you have and if not too much what sort of premium?????

micha3l · 11-11-2011, 02:05 PM

AAMI know everything I have too, only issue with them was I maxed out the agreed value and they wouldn't go any higher, but all I really wanted was to make sure they couldn't deny a claim

RaihaX · 11-11-2011, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by micha3l

AAMI know everything I have too, only issue with them was I maxed out the agreed value and they wouldn't go any higher, but all I really wanted was to make sure they couldn't deny a claim

Do you have meth on yours? From your quarter mile time I assume you do?

MrBlonde · 11-11-2011, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pcockley

No I don't see any difference. I would be willing to bet that no one on here has informed their insurance co of EVERYTHING they have modded on their car.

My car is insured with Shannons and has all modifications declared.

TimMc · 11-13-2011, 06:58 AM

I've declared all the mods I've fitted to AAMI, along with all the mods (DPs, IC, CP, OCC, DVs etc) I have in the garage ready to fit. Pushed the premium up ~$100 but I sleep easier.

pcockley · 11-13-2011, 04:39 PM

Ok chaps perhaps I have been looking at this all wrong, i'll give the Insurance folk a call

anthonygilbo · 11-14-2011, 03:32 AM

My dealer has had two cars come in with Meth related damage in past past couple of months. Might be a cheap option for extra performance but obviously has a high risk of something going wrong. You never hear of two many cars going in with problems from other performance upgrades..

MrBlonde · 11-14-2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by anthonygilbo

My dealer has had two cars come in with Meth related damage in past past couple of months. Might be a cheap option for extra performance but obviously has a high risk of something going wrong. You never hear of two many cars going in with problems from other performance upgrades..

Sounds like crap to me.

anthonygilbo · 11-16-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBlonde

Sounds like crap to me.

Sorry, but i've seen both of the cars and both have meth related damage!! Believe me, don't beleive me, I've got no reason to make up stories.

MrBlonde · 11-16-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by anthonygilbo

Sorry, but i've seen both of the cars and both have meth related damage!! Believe me, don't beleive me, I've got no reason to make up stories.

What does "meth related damage" mean?

pcockley · 11-16-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBlonde

What does "meth related damage" mean?

Late last year in sunshine Victoria, the local residents of a sleepy Cul-de-sac were greeted with the sight or a 1 series BMW at the playground at the end of their street.

An eye witness (reported to be a drug dealer) stated he was on the scene at 2.36am and saw the car fly over a hedge row and land on the swing in flames.

mcmn · 11-17-2011, 04:24 AM

hhaha

sparoz · 11-17-2011, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mattyv

That'd be a losing bet with me mate, I've listed EVERYTHING. Full disclosure and you've got no problems with a denied claim down the track. They almost know me by the sound of my voice given I ring up every few months to add something to the list.

Shannons?

MikeVictor · 11-17-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sparoz

Shannons?

correct

anthonygilbo · 11-19-2011, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBlonde

What does "meth related damage" mean?

mostly top end damage. Obviously an engine that hasn't had any of the internals upgraded is only going to last for so long with so much extra power. Lets face it, an N54 or 55 engine does not have motorsport parts in it. The main problem is that everyone that runs meth has probably already done some upgrades to get extra power. The standard top end of your engines was not built to withstand this type of power upgrade. Valve damage is what you are going to see most of all.

My opinion is that you guys are crazy after spending all that money on your cars first of all plus the upgrades, if you don't spend a bit extra in making sure that the internals can take what your throwing at it for an extended period of time. With the race cars that I run, I certainly wouldn't be trying to add 50 or more horsepower to the engine without making the appropriate changes to the internals to ensure reliablilty.

The mistake people have obviously made on the cars that I have seen, is that they have pushed the power limits of the engine without spending any money where it counts.

People in Brissy had a dyno day about a month ago and obviously a few that had done everything including meth were a little worried about the hp results. I would almost bet that this is because no money has been spent on top end upgrades and the standard internals are already on the way out.

Obviously this is just my opinion but i do believe it is a logical opinion.

So maybe the statement i made was a little incorrect. Maybe i should have said that two cars have been into my dealership with engine damage over the past weeks and they both just happen to be running meth....

MrBlonde · 11-19-2011, 04:15 AM

Of course the "internals" can take it: well documented for many miles and passes in the USA and all over the world.

"Top End" is the head, cams, valvetrain. I'm not sure what sort of aftermarket improvement you mean for cams or valvetrain. I can see Bottom End upgrades improving the strength of an engine: pistons, rod and crank.

I wonder how the BMW dealership could determine that methanol/water spray has damaged a head, valvetrain or cams. They must have pulled down the engines and done some serious analysis.

Or maybe they are full of shit. Dealerships like to make out the only safe way to improve performance on a 135 is to purchase BMWs Power Kit stage I or Stage II!

Now a bad tune causing engine damage .. yep I can believe that in a heartbeat. And a bad tune in combination with a methanol/water spray system, sure. That's not methanol damage .. that a bad tune.

BBK · 11-19-2011, 06:03 AM

Anthony, there are numerous cars around the world at the moment running meth systems with no issues, some with tens of thousands of kms's use. None reported any 'loss' of power due to internals on the way out. I for one rarely spray meth day to day. I'd be lucky to use it for 15 seconds a week!

BMW dealers are very renowned for blaming damage on anything but their own things. We all hear of them denying warranties etc on stupid things which we know don't effect that particular item. I'm not saying that the issues you are talking about are not meth related, but there's a high chance of them blaming the 'unknown'.

Were the two cars N54's?

JB4-335 · 11-19-2011, 01:11 PM

The N54 has some forged internals thus making it extremely strong capable of handling the extra power.
There's only good that can come from running a proper meth setup on these cars.

DTNJNQ · 11-19-2011, 02:43 PM

I'm not sure whether meth damages the engine or not. What I'm concerned with is that I keep hearing that people are having problems with their meth set up. Either can't get proper meth flow, car didn't dyno well due to meth problem or something else.

I not sure I want to deal with the issues with meth for a daily driver.

11-11-2011, 04:07 AM	#24
JB4-335 Brigadier General 168 Rep 3,093 Posts Drives: E92 BSM & E70 AW Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia iTrader: (1)	The only thing you need know is that meth is highly flammable and you must always have a sufficient amount of water mixed in to reduced its boiling point. But running 100% is an amazing and fun. I've done it a few times and car responds extremely well.
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micha3l Lieutenant 26 Rep 513 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW M3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia iTrader: (0)	AAMI know everything I have too, only issue with them was I maxed out the agreed value and they wouldn't go any higher, but all I really wanted was to make sure they couldn't deny a claim __________________ 2011 BMW M3 - Mineral White - VF620 Supercharger - Gintani Sport Valved Exhaust - Harrop BBK - Arykym Front lip and Diffuser - KW Sleeve over kit - Forgestar CF5V Wheels 2009 BMW 135i - Space Grey - 11.841 @ 117.81mph - SOLD
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11-13-2011, 06:58 AM	#30
TimMc Lieutenant Colonel 44 Rep 1,883 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Brisbane, Australia iTrader: (0)	I've declared all the mods I've fitted to AAMI, along with all the mods (DPs, IC, CP, OCC, DVs etc) I have in the garage ready to fit. Pushed the premium up ~$100 but I sleep easier. __________________ Driving - Manual E90 M3 (Melbourne Red/Black). Riding - BMW R1200RS Sport.
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11-13-2011, 04:39 PM	#31
pcockley Banned 43 Rep 1,719 Posts Drives: 335 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: sydney iTrader: (1)	Ok chaps perhaps I have been looking at this all wrong, i'll give the Insurance folk a call
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11-14-2011, 03:32 AM	#32
anthonygilbo Second Lieutenant 31 Rep 254 Posts Drives: E46 M3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	My dealer has had two cars come in with Meth related damage in past past couple of months. Might be a cheap option for extra performance but obviously has a high risk of something going wrong. You never hear of two many cars going in with problems from other performance upgrades.. __________________ E46 M3 GTR Race Car 1988 E30 320i track car with 2.7L stroker engine and all the trimmings. E36 M3 Race Car
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11-19-2011, 04:15 AM	#41
MrBlonde Colonel 122 Rep 2,695 Posts Drives: Audi TTRS, M Coupe, 1299 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Merewether iTrader: (0)	Of course the "internals" can take it: well documented for many miles and passes in the USA and all over the world. "Top End" is the head, cams, valvetrain. I'm not sure what sort of aftermarket improvement you mean for cams or valvetrain. I can see Bottom End upgrades improving the strength of an engine: pistons, rod and crank. I wonder how the BMW dealership could determine that methanol/water spray has damaged a head, valvetrain or cams. They must have pulled down the engines and done some serious analysis. Or maybe they are full of shit. Dealerships like to make out the only safe way to improve performance on a 135 is to purchase BMWs Power Kit stage I or Stage II! Now a bad tune causing engine damage .. yep I can believe that in a heartbeat. And a bad tune in combination with a methanol/water spray system, sure. That's not methanol damage .. that a bad tune. __________________ .-=[ Kenny ]=-. 1999 BMW M Coupe 10.775 @ 134.35 mph w/1.600 60' (Best 136.07 mph) 25th August 2004. +2010 X5 35D+ Check out the 1Addicts Drag Racing Standings and Drag Racing 101. Last edited by MrBlonde; 11-19-2011 at 04:20 AM..
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BBK Banned 89 Rep 3,070 Posts Drives: A boring one... Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 BMW 135i [5.76]	Anthony, there are numerous cars around the world at the moment running meth systems with no issues, some with tens of thousands of kms's use. None reported any 'loss' of power due to internals on the way out. I for one rarely spray meth day to day. I'd be lucky to use it for 15 seconds a week! BMW dealers are very renowned for blaming damage on anything but their own things. We all hear of them denying warranties etc on stupid things which we know don't effect that particular item. I'm not saying that the issues you are talking about are not meth related, but there's a high chance of them blaming the 'unknown'. Were the two cars N54's?
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JB4-335 Brigadier General 168 Rep 3,093 Posts Drives: E92 BSM & E70 AW Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia iTrader: (1)	The N54 has some forged internals thus making it extremely strong capable of handling the extra power. There's only good that can come from running a proper meth setup on these cars.
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11-19-2011, 02:43 PM	#44
DTNJNQ Captain 110 Rep 994 Posts Drives: M2, 135i, Xclass Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW 135i [8.66]	I'm not sure whether meth damages the engine or not. What I'm concerned with is that I keep hearing that people are having problems with their meth set up. Either can't get proper meth flow, car didn't dyno well due to meth problem or something else. I not sure I want to deal with the issues with meth for a daily driver. __________________ __________________________________________________
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