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S2Ks do need rod bearings in similar intervals. Various type R engines I'm not as familiar with. But that being said, they are pretty radically different seeing as they only have to deal with miniscule amounts of power/torque.
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I don't see reports of rod bearing issues in S2000s unless the owners let them get low on oil. I saw one report of over 250K miles with no engine work.
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Either way, as stated previously, low power Japanese engines don't provide much in the way of equal comparison.
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Piston speed is definitely a factor, and they definitely are comparable in that regard, but that isn't the only factor by far.
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Its a huge factor, there are others, but to say they are not comparable is a fallacy.
I'm sure there are other threads that discuss this topic, so I'll put my 2 cents in as far as the 2er goes. The more I see them the more I like them. I haven't had a test drive in one but I would like to see how the 228 and 235 compare this time around with the turbo 4 having more low end torque than the old 6 they should both feel pretty similar around town. I don't think I'll be trading in the 1 for it unless the M2 is stellar(which I think it will be). |
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S2000 is rated for about 240hp and 160 ft-lbs out of 2 liters. That is higher specific output than a stock 128 3 liter. I think the power is comparable, really it's higher in the S2000 on an equivalent (hp/liter) basis.
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Just tell yourself that you'll keep this 1er for 6 years in order to save up and buy the next generation 2 series (although at that point the 228i may be a 3 cylinder turbo)
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I have had my 1er for six years and I dont have 2er plans.
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I like the look of the M235i better than my wife's 135i vert (though my m3 looks better still). That said, the price has sure climbed with the 2 series. We got her 135i with a handful of options for 41k new. A bare bones M235i coupe will run 43k+. Wondering once they release a convertible how much it will run similarly optioned.
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I drove an M235i yesterday that was optioned by the the dealer with the auto transmission and runflats. I probably can't add to the reviews that have been previously posted. The M235i is a very good car. There were things I liked better than my car, and others I didn't. I did not leave the dealer with the impression that I'm missing out, so for me the answer is no, I do not have any 2-series regrets, even though before driving the M235i I thought I might. If my 135is was no longer available to me, I would definitely miss her, but I think I could replace with the M235i and be satisfied.
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the interior plastics, e.g. buttons etc. look cheaper on the 2-series.
I liked the cluster better, but don't really want the pasted on idrive - shame it comes by default the ride was better, as in I could not feel the bumps on the road as much as my 128i, but the steering feel was less (not as bad as an F30 loaner I drove though) Like the lights, hate the bloody hood line. I drove the 228i, and asked the sales guy if I could drive the M235i as well, and he goes - "its just faster, thats all" - LOL |
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I feel that if I make an upgrade, it will be for an M4 eventually. Now THAT is a pretty BMW.
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As one can see by the dozen plus BMW's in my signature line below it is evident that I am a loyal "small" BMW owner. I've leased the last four or five and turned them in for a new one every three years like clockwork. This spring I bought my 135i as a CPO at the end of the lease, a first for me. My car does not have nav so the dash with dark grey wood is clean and simple. It has a 6 speed manual so it is a proper drivers car. With Dinan stage II software it is pretty quick and Pilot Super Sports afford nice handling with improved ride quality.
The M235 is bigger, heavier, and seems more generic. The rear end could be on a Lexus. The dash is much fussier and given that is what I see when I spend time in a car it is disappointing (also no grey wood option). I imagine the suspension adjustment would be a real plus though it is not enough to get me to switch. If word comes down the pike about an M2 or better options on the M235i then I may change my mind. If not I might have to visit the Audi dealer.
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I have had 17 BMWs over the years, but no longer have one. I could not see the added value in trading my 135i for the new M235i for $20 to $25k new money invested. I have gone a different route for now - I bought a new 2014 MINI Cooper S F56 with 6MT. Basically a nil money deal, and the Cooper S is a very fun and rewarding small car. I can no longer justify spending the serious coin to upgrade myself within the BMW line.
The Cooper is basically a FWD BMW anyway, these days. BMW engine, gearbox and direct BMW management supervision. Neither BMW nor MINI are without some reliability hassles, so am prepared for that. I am enjoying my Cooper S and have no regrets for having made the trade.
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