C&D: 1M Takes Down Audi TT RS and Infiniti IPL G37 in First 1M Comparo Win

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by runnerx

I was thinking the same thing. It seems the Americans only care about 0-60 or 1/4mile 1 whole second faster at the track makes 1 series M coupe look pretty pathetic in my opinion.

Was it a flying lap?

[runnerx]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Was it a flying lap?

No it wasn't, because the article mentioned DSG launch control and AWD really helped TTRS do better than 1 series M coupe. 1 series M coupe is too torquey at low RPM and the driver was sliding left and right out of almost every corner. That is why I think ///M car should stay NA.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by runnerx

No it wasn't, because the article mentioned DSG launch control and AWD really helped TTRS do better than 1 series M coupe. 1 series M coupe is too torquey at low RPM and the driver was sliding left and right out of almost every corner. That is why I think ///M car should stay NA. Turbos belong to AWD.

So then the lap time is on par. The TTRS was ahead by one second due to the launch.

Sliding all over the place? Since when? Maybe the test driver had the stability control off for the video shots?

Better face facts that the days of NA M cars are over.

[NYC6]

Originally Posted by runnerx

No it wasn't, because the article mentioned DSG launch control and AWD really helped TTRS do better than 1 series M coupe. 1 series M coupe is too torquey at low RPM and the driver was sliding left and right out of almost every corner. That is why I think ///M car should stay NA. Turbos belong to AWD.

You better tell those idiots at Porsche that they got it all wrong with the GT2 RS. It only lapped Nurburgring in 7:32.

[runnerx]

Originally Posted by NYC6

You better tell those idiots at Porsche that they got it all wrong with the GT2 RS. It only lapped Nurburgring in 7:32.

well turbo creates a lot of low end torque which make it harder to throttle out of a corner with FR cars. Porsche is ass heavy, so it can use the mass torque more efficiently. again that is just my own opinion. I personally prefer NA + RWD + manual tranny over anything else.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by runnerx

No it wasn't, because the article mentioned DSG launch control and AWD really helped TTRS do better than 1 series M coupe. 1 series M coupe is too torquey at low RPM and the driver was sliding left and right out of almost every corner. That is why I think ///M car should stay NA.

I think it was a flying lap from reading it. A timed lap from a dig would be pretty meaningless.

The BMW was down a second to the Audi on the 2.0 mile course. The Audi pulled away on the super long, super fast multi apex right hand sweeper. It's combination of stability, all wheel drive, and it's smooth transmission was unbeatable here. In the same sectio, the BMW wanted to go sideways at ~110mph. It didn't help that it required an upshift at one of the apexes. Through the rest of the course, the two were neck and neck.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by runnerx

well turbo creates a lot of low end torque which make it harder to throttle out of a corner with FR cars. Porsche is ass heavy, so it can use the mass torque more efficiently. again that is just my own opinion. I personally prefer NA + RWD + manual tranny over anything else.

I wonder if it was the overboost that maybe caused an almost unexpected change/hike in torque when powering out of corners? It doesn't give the most linear torque curve when it kicks in.

[NYC6]

Originally Posted by runnerx

well turbo creates a lot of low end torque which make it harder to throttle out of a corner with FR cars. Porsche is ass heavy, so it can use the mass torque more efficiently. again that is just my own opinion. I personally prefer NA + RWD + manual tranny over anything else.

To each his own. Just a little surprised that one could make such a broad statement as 'turbo for AWD only'.
There are many really good S/C'd, turbo RWD cars out there that can get good grip out of turns. A good LSD and tires evens the playing field. My 600hp S/C'd Corvette sticks quite well with 325 width tires, even with that big lump of V8 out front.

[runnerx]

Originally Posted by NYC6

To each his own. Just a little surprised that one could make such a broad statement as 'turbo for AWD only'.
There are many really good S/C'd, turbo RWD cars out there that can get good grip out of turns. A good LSD and tires evens the playing field. My 600hp S/C'd Corvette sticks quite well with 325 width tires, even with that big lump of V8 out front.

that statement was removed after a cup of coffee...

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by runnerx

well turbo creates a lot of low end torque which make it harder to throttle out of a corner with FR cars. Porsche is ass heavy, so it can use the mass torque more efficiently. again that is just my own opinion. I personally prefer NA + RWD + manual tranny over anything else.

Have you driven the N54? It is not a big blast of torque like you you see in a car such as an EVO or STI. Power delivery is very smooth.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Have you driven the N54? It is not a big blast of torque like you you see in a car such as an EVO or STI. Power delivery is very smooth.

The 1M has overboost though doesn't it. Which from dyno curves from Z4iS doesn't look to give a very linear power delivery.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by conneem-TT

The 1M has overboost though doesn't it. Which from dyno curves from Z4iS doesn't look to give a very linear power delivery.

Overboost yes...if your foot is mashed to the floor.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Overboost yes...if your foot is mashed to the floor.

But think about it. You are modulating the throttle coming out of a corner, applying more and more gradually, then comes in the overboost with a big dollop of extra torque.

[JimD]

The article states that the Audi was faster in one corner otherwise the cars were evenly matched on the track.

The acceleration advantage is a combination of 4 wheel drive (which U. S. cars will have), DCT, and launch control. In the end, the U. S. Audi may or may not be faster than the 1M in a straight line, we'll have to see. It should be able to launch harder with the 4 wheel drive.

Audis don't do much for me. A 5 cylinder with more boost pressure can make the same power as a larger 6 cylinder on less boost but I wonder about how long it will do it. A 5 cylinder engine just seems weird to me too. One of the reason I think of Audis as girl cars is girls don't typically care how many cylinders their car has and how it makes power. They just want it to go. But then some people say my 128i is a girlie car too.

Jim

[///1M]

I would think that with it's larger displacement, the 1M can be tuned for higher output than the Audi.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by ///1M

I would think that with it's larger displacement, the 1M can be tuned for higher output than the Audi.

Depends on how big your wallet is I suppose but Audi did have 600hp test mules and it is the only cgi block in a production petrol engine in the world.

It seems to be pretty robust thus far with what people in Europe are having good results already with tuning, the ecu is not locked and 400hp+ comes with a remap.

[fastauto]

Originally Posted by Peteypab2133

Im sorry, but I am sick of biased people saying terms like "its to easy to drive, anyone can drive it" or "its to easy to go fast in it".


If you want to drive something that requires your full attention buy a viper without traction control. I will take something that is smooth, and fast.

Oh and 12.1 vs 13.0 is about 7 car lengths in the quarter.

i understand but you also have to understand that there are many car manufactures out there that make different products for different people with different tastes. I have had several audis and loved them all but the bmw driving experience is indeed different. as far as your 7 car lengths quote, not everyone lives their life a QM at a time. You of all people should understand this if that is your car in your sig as that is really a driver’s car and while quick in a straight line, there are other car options that do just that.

[XC]

There comes a time in your life in which you must decide what do you really want. Do I want to arrive to the next light faster? (0-60) with a dedicated, 2-seater sports car (Audi TTrs, Porsche Cayman, 911, Ferrari (!) etc) a wathever cost? or do I want a car that is a pleasure to drive and also blends well in my everyday's life? For me that's exactly what a BMW provides to me. An excellent, best quality german driving tool that is perfect for my driving, but also can carry the ocasional shopping and ocasional guest (my elder aunt, my 7 year old and my 4 years old nephew to school in the morning, etc.) (And it doesn't hurt that it looks phenomenal!) I don't really care if there are sexier, faster, more expensive sports cars out there. My BMW is what I really want.

[Raine]

I won't lie, I thought I would never use the backseats of my car, but I actually do quite often. Sometimes you have to drive your friends or family when going out. It's actually comfortable back there from what I've been told.

The 1M is so nice...small and powerful RWD with M-handling/6-speed/smooth in-line six and usable back seats...

Only wish you could get Coral Red Leather LOL

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by XC

There comes a time in your life in which you must decide what do you really want. Do I want to arrive to the next light faster? (0-60) with a dedicated, 2-seater sports car (Audi TTrs, Porsche Cayman, 911, Ferrari (!) etc) a wathever cost? or do I want a car that is a pleasure to drive and also blends well in my everyday's life? For me that's exactly what a BMW provides to me. An excellent, best quality german driving tool that is perfect for my driving, but also can carry the ocasional shopping and ocasional guest (my elder aunt, my 7 year old and my 4 years old nephew to school in the morning, etc.) (And it doesn't hurt that it looks phenomenal!) I don't really care if there are sexier, faster, more expensive sports cars out there. My BMW is what I really want.

+1... and looks like Autoexpress will give up the 1 second also...


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[PSYMON81]

I will like to see soon a comparison between 1M and rs3...this shoud be a comparison, tt is not same segment car....can be tested with Z4, not with 1M....