No M1 at Geneva Motor Show - UPDATED

BMW269 · 03-01-2010, 02:52 PM

Ok, so now I want an M1 with LSD, 380 hp and 1450 kg.

ChrisK · 03-01-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Levi

Ok, so now I want an M1 with LSD, 380 hp and 1450 kg.

That would be a Rocket! - That would be built by NASA, not BMW

emos325 · 03-01-2010, 03:01 PM

i'm still hoping it will be a sequential turbo set up with an LSD and is 3000 lbs. Still . . . Hoping . . . maybe?

cap_freez · 03-01-2010, 03:30 PM

I wish they would have at least released a few pics to show the ''look'' of the car. I understand the specs may not be final. but I'm pretty sure the look is already set in stone.

BrokenVert · 03-01-2010, 03:38 PM

So does anybody think that BMW actually listened to the complaining of the enthusiast crowd here about the car not being good enough?

Afterall the 1er is already a niche car, its safe to say that a lot of potential M1 owners are the enthusiats on sites like this one. The thought isnt too farfetched is it?

dmboone25 · 03-01-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rockrboy

I wish they would have at least released a few pics to show the ''look'' of the car. I understand the specs may not be final. but I'm pretty sure the look is already set in stone.

That's what I was saying earlier too--I mean you could still create a lot of interest and buzz.....but now you just have nothing.....

Again--makes me wonder how much of a reality this car will really be....

marvinp · 03-01-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

So does anybody think that BMW actually listened to the complaining of the enthusiast crowd here about the car not being good enough?

Afterall the 1er is already a niche car, its safe to say that a lot of potential M1 owners are the enthusiats on sites like this one. The thought isnt too farfetched is it?

Yeah, that made me wonder as well if BMW wasn't listening to the enthusiasts complaints in the forum about the M1 not being as powerful as it could be (for fear of it being faster than the M3). It may also be to make it even more powerful than a 135i with JB3 which some have stated as a reason for not getting an M1.

PrimoM3 · 03-01-2010, 03:53 PM

Probably a good thing here, but totally took the wind out of my sails. I need to be more of a patient man anyway.

BForbes · 03-01-2010, 04:09 PM

I can't hold back anymore on this.

I dont actually believe all this mumbo-jumbo. I personally think its B.S. Why can't they show a "Concept" car. Nobody would be driving the damn thing anyway. It has nothing to do with power and weight IMO. Most of that has to be already locked in by now. All those things SCOTT said would only make sense if the release date was pushed back. I dont think they had plans to show it at all. Why? Because it has been months since SCOTT even mentioned Geneva on here.

One could say it was delayed b/c of styling issues. I would hope the board approved the car's styling months ago. Not during a "drive" done last week. Plus, its very confusing when they mention the "board." In reality, the family with the majority shares for the last 50 years control BMW(over 40%). They ultimately have the last say in most matters. I can't visualize them taking anything out for a spin.

I think this was just a free feedback exercise and a horrible one at that. Now they know how excited we are and the huge amount of M3 and 3er drivers showing interest. Hopefully we will get some pictures during Geneva. They can't keep bumping this back. Would they really want to debut this concept along side the M5 concept. I wouldn't think so.

Such a missed opportunity. We even have BIMMERPOST.com out there taking great shots. Bummer.

TunedM2C · 03-01-2010, 04:16 PM

I still don't understand why they couldn't have at least a mock up there? At least a shell with blacked out windows to hide internals would have worked.

dmboone25 · 03-01-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BForbes

I can't hold back anymore on this.

I dont actually believe all this mumbo-jumbo. I personally think its B.S. Why can't they show a "Concept" car. Nobody would be driving the damn thing anyway. It has nothing to do with power and weight IMO. Most of that has to be already locked in by now. All those things SCOTT said would only make sense if the release date was pushed back. I dont think they had plans to show it at all. Why? Because it has been months since SCOTT even mentioned Geneva on here.

One could say it was delayed b/c of styling issues. I would hope the board approved the car's styling months ago. Not during a "drive" done last week. Plus, its very confusing when they mention the "board." In reality, the family with the majority shares for the last 50 years control BMW(over 40%). They ultimately have the last say in most matters. I can't visualize them taking anything out for a spin.

I think this was just a free feedback exercise and a horrible one at that. Now they know how excited we are and the huge amount of M3 and 3er drivers showing interest. Hopefully we will get some pictures during Geneva. They can't keep bumping this back. Would they really want to debut this concept along side the M5 concept. I wouldn't think so.

Such a missed opportunity. We even have BIMMERPOST.com out there taking great shots. Bummer.

Nicely said....

BMWDAD · 03-01-2010, 04:44 PM

Question by 08 335i owner, I have not be following closely here.

M1 due in Spring 2011 for USA? New redesigned 1 coupe due _________ in USA?

Thanks

twenzel · 03-01-2010, 05:08 PM

Scott = John Titor?

Anyone stop to think that maybe someone is taking this forum for a ride? What credibility does Scott have?

Advevo · 03-01-2010, 05:13 PM

It s good it s not there. Then they have time to re think the thing and watch some CSL movies and think again about an how drivers M1 should sound look and have throttle response.

A 135i with some wide finders and M goodies is a nice cash cow. But far from an real ///M car how it should be.

I hope the extra time gives us a real ///M and not some souped up AG car with an ///M badge. I want to see a piece of ART car and engine. The 1 serie is THE best base for it. Everything else is to heavy and to big to begin with.

amdmaxx · 03-01-2010, 05:16 PM

NASA Budget - yes.

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Originally Posted by ChrisK

That would be a Rocket! - That would be built by NASA, not BMW

ARES45 · 03-01-2010, 05:16 PM

Fail. I have the same concerns as others. Maybe this car won't happen till the next model.

southlight · 03-01-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BForbes

I can't hold back anymore on this.

I dont actually believe all this mumbo-jumbo. I personally think its B.S. Why can't they show a "Concept" car. Nobody would be driving the damn thing anyway. It has nothing to do with power and weight IMO. Most of that has to be already locked in by now. All those things SCOTT said would only make sense if the release date was pushed back. I dont think they had plans to show it at all. Why? Because it has been months since SCOTT even mentioned Geneva on here.

One could say it was delayed b/c of styling issues. I would hope the board approved the car's styling months ago. Not during a "drive" done last week. Plus, its very confusing when they mention the "board." In reality, the family with the majority shares for the last 50 years control BMW(over 40%). They ultimately have the last say in most matters. I can't visualize them taking anything out for a spin.

This is a common procedure with BMW and I guess with other manufacturers also. BMW calls this VIF (VorstandsInformationsFahrt) which roughly means board information drive or better board evaluation drive. They do drive cars at different stages during their development. I don't know if every car and every model, but they did the same with the M3 and, if I remember correctly, were impressed.

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Originally Posted by BForbes

Would they really want to debut this concept along side the M5 concept. I wouldn't think so.

A good point if the rumors about an preferred introduction of the M5 were true. Personally, I expect the M5 Concept in Geneva next year, but not earlier.

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Originally Posted by BForbes

Such a missed opportunity. We even have BIMMERPOST.com out there taking great shots. Bummer.

Very true.

Best regards,
south

ChrisK · 03-01-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuned1

I still don't understand why they couldn't have at least a mock up there? At least a shell with blacked out windows to hide internals would have worked.

I totally agree! I doubt the "Board" members had a problem with the exterior design of the car.

marvinp · 03-01-2010, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisK

I totally agree! I doubt the "Board" members had a problem with the exterior design of the car.

I would like to see some pics as well, but if you think about it, what good is it to have only pics when unveiling an M. People will instantly want to know how much power it has and if that's still in limbo, then I doubt they would unveil anything at all.

ChrisK · 03-01-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by twenzel

Scott = John Titor?

Anyone stop to think that maybe someone is taking this forum for a ride? What credibility does Scott have?

I love the story behind John Titor.

John Titor = Timelord?

ChrisK · 03-01-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by marvinp

I would like to see some pics as well, but if you think about it, what good is it to have only pics when unveiling an M. People will instantly want to know how much power it has and if that's still in limbo, then I doubt they would unveil anything at all.

Yes, but how a car looks visually is just as important to me as how it performs.

twenzel · 03-01-2010, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I love the story behind John Titor.

John Titor = Timelord?

Im glad someone got that reference.

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